Vaccine or not?

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not until last year... but once those tests and trials showed success, it is a far better gamble to use a known therapeutic drug than an experimental jab.
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This is the kind of post that concerns me. It shows that you're not looking at this clearly. This is from the manufacturer:

KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

  • No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
  • No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
  • A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.
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Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

The best thing I can say about folks refusing to get vaccinated is that they're very cautious about what goes into their bodies...so if that's the case, explain to me what other drug they'd be willing to ingest where the manufacturer says that there's a lack of safety data, no evidence that it works and there's no scientific basis for a therapeutic effect?

I can tell from your post above that you're confident in its safety yet the science doesn't support it. This is what I don't get. Why be so hard on the vax but be so "lax" on other drugs such as Ivermectin? It shows a lack of clarity on this position.
 
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Sea Ray said:
This is the kind of post that concerns me. It shows that you're not looking at this clearly. This is from the manufacturer:


Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

The best thing I can say about folks refusing to get vaccinated is that they're very cautious about what goes into their bodies...so if that's the case, explain to me what other drug they'd be willing to ingest where the manufacturer says that there's a lack of safety data, no evidence that it works and there's no scientific basis for a therapeutic effect?

I can tell from your post above that you're confident in its safety yet the science doesn't support it. This is what I don't get. Why be so hard on the vax but be so "lax" on other drugs such as Ivermectin? It shows a lack of clarity on this position.
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To own the liberals?
 
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Sea Ray said:
This is the kind of post that concerns me. It shows that you're not looking at this clearly. This is from the manufacturer:


Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

The best thing I can say about folks refusing to get vaccinated is that they're very cautious about what goes into their bodies...so if that's the case, explain to me what other drug they'd be willing to ingest where the manufacturer says that there's a lack of safety data, no evidence that it works and there's no scientific basis for a therapeutic effect?

I can tell from your post above that you're confident in its safety yet the science doesn't support it. This is what I don't get. Why be so hard on the vax but be so "lax" on other drugs such as Ivermectin? It shows a lack of clarity on this position.
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Except it is proven extremely safe. Is it effective? I guess the jury's out although plenty of studies are suggesting it is. Even if not effective though, it is not harmful and has been around for a long time. However, anti-monoclonal treatment is proving extremely effective, yet we hear nothing about it. Just vax vax vax, when the current vax does nothing to the now dominant strain. Because science $$$$.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Except it is proven extremely safe. Is it effective? I guess the jury's out although plenty of studies are suggesting it is. Even if not effective though, it is not harmful and has been around for a long time. However, anti-monoclonal treatment is proving extremely effective, yet we hear nothing about it. Just vax vax vax, when the current vax does nothing to the now dominant strain. Because science $$$$.
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Why would you say that it's safe when the manufacturer clearly states that there are not sufficient studies to say that? I quoted it in my previous post
 
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Here's what I think is behind people choosing unproven treatments over the vaccine: They feel the vaccine is being forced upon them by the government which they despise. Whereas they're making the choice for Ivermectin and the gov't is against it.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Here's what I think is behind people choosing unproven treatments over the vaccine: They feel the vaccine is being forced upon them by the government which they despise. Whereas they're making the choice for Ivermectin and the gov't is against it.
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The some of that. Probably. For many, it is the fact that we are tired of being lied to, and are resorting to making the best decision we can with what we can learn on our own. Also the fact that there is zero liability anywhere for harm caused is a concern. Annnnnd, no one will tell you whays in these 'vaccines'

Trust us.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
The some of that. Probably. For many, it is the fact that we are tired of being lied to, and are resorting to making the best decision we can with what we can learn on our own. Also the fact that there is zero liability anywhere for harm caused is a concern. Annnnnd, no one will tell you whays in these 'vaccines'

Trust us.
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@Sea Ray Is onto it a little bit there for some. As are you. The ferocity in which the media goes after any alternative medicine regarding COVID with clear disinformation campaigns causes my wheels to turn. Saying Joe Rogan took horse dewormer to intentionally make him look like an idiot is one example. It's pretty clear they have a motive (money most likely), and spoiler alert it's not to sAvE LiVeS.

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Why would you say that it's safe when the manufacturer clearly states that there are not sufficient studies to say that? I quoted it in my previous post
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Well, I believe over 4 billion doses of Ivermectin have been used by humans worldwide since it was created. It's been a great treatment for numerous diseases. Not sure why it would all of a sudden be dangerous?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
The some of that. Probably. For many, it is the fact that we are tired of being lied to, and are resorting to making the best decision we can with what we can learn on our own. Also the fact that there is zero liability anywhere for harm caused is a concern. Annnnnd, no one will tell you whays in these 'vaccines'

Trust us.
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Alas, something we agree on. As prolific as Trump was Biden has left us no room to claim the high ground.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
Just read another article on him and it says his vax status was unknown. Ironic that every other time a young, healthy person dies they seem to know that they were unvaxed.
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What is fascinating to me is how the 'vaccine' pushers seem to revel in the death of an un'vaxxed' person. I can almost hear them cheering.
 
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Sea Ray said:
This is the kind of post that concerns me. It shows that you're not looking at this clearly. This is from the manufacturer:


Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

The best thing I can say about folks refusing to get vaccinated is that they're very cautious about what goes into their bodies...so if that's the case, explain to me what other drug they'd be willing to ingest where the manufacturer says that there's a lack of safety data, no evidence that it works and there's no scientific basis for a therapeutic effect?

I can tell from your post above that you're confident in its safety yet the science doesn't support it. This is what I don't get. Why be so hard on the vax but be so "lax" on other drugs such as Ivermectin? It shows a lack of clarity on this position.
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I know someone personally that took Ivermectin and was out of bed in 4 days.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I know someone personally that took Ivermectin and was out of bed in 4 days.
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I know someone who has had the long haul symptoms for months and went on the Ivermectin regime and 5 days in feels much better.

But that isn't an approved treatment. Gotta get the not as yet produced booster.
 
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