Vaccine or not?

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LouderVol said:
There is a difference between safe for general use of humans, which ivermetcin has. And specific studies on efficacy vs covid, which ivermetcin does not have.

Until a month ago the FDA considered ivermetcin role vs Covid the same as the vaccine, EUA. Different vectors of role, but both were under the same considerations.

Considering ivermetcin has a proven health record, and it has to be prescribed by a doctor where the vax doesnt, I dont see the inconsistency.
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Once again, the manufacturer is not confident of its safety. If they say that then how can you say otherwise? Do you know more than Merck does?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Are you sure about that? Did you know that one study showed that it sterilized 85% of men who took it?

Ivermectin causes sterilization in 85 percent of men, 2011 Nigerian study finds | WFLA

Here's the point, if you look hard enough, you'll find bad after effects of any drug and believe me, everyone is looking for this with the vaccine. If safety is your issue and not effectiveness, then you're still not on solid ground to opt for Ivermectin instead of the vax. If effectiveness is your priority then you're insane to forego the vax and rely on Ivermectin
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We need more options and less mandates. Let people have the ability to make their own health decision.

If you feel comfortable taking the new vaccine, that's perfectly fine. Have at it. But don't come after the people that don't choose that option. All people are not the same and all people do not assume the same risks. This is brand new territory we are trying to navigate through and you provax people act like you have all the answers when you don't know anymore about the long term side effects about this new vaccine than we did about Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID 18 months ago.

Stop grandstanding...
 
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Sea Ray said:
Once again, the manufacturer is not confident of its safety. If they say that then how can you say otherwise? Do you know more than Merck does?
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That's probably because they may want you to buy the more expensive alternative that they are soon to be releasing. Ever thought that may be the motivation?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Are you sure about that? Did you know that one study showed that it sterilized 85% of men who took it?

Ivermectin causes sterilization in 85 percent of men, 2011 Nigerian study finds | WFLA

Here's the point, if you look hard enough, you'll find bad after effects of any drug and believe me, everyone is looking for this with the vaccine. If safety is your issue and not effectiveness, then you're still not on solid ground to opt for Ivermectin instead of the vax. If effectiveness is your priority then you're insane to forego the vax and rely on Ivermectin
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I relied on my body and staying in bed for a day. Felt fine day 2. 2 week vacation in quarantine was pretty awesome.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I know someone personally that took Ivermectin and was out of bed in 4 days.
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If a doctor you trust prescribes it, fine. Give it a go, but it's not easy to find such doctors. I wonder why???

I'll give you a specific example from my neck of the woods in southern Ohio. Gere's a case of a family who has someone who's been very sick with C19 since July. They want Ivermectin so bad they searched for a doctor and this is the best they could find:

Several witnesses for the hospital cast doubt on Wagshul’s testimony and credibility as a physician. Dr. Ferhan Asghar, a surgeon and chief of staff at the hospital, said a physician who is not board certified would never be admitted to practice at West Chester, per hospital policy. He said it was also a “concern” that a physician would issue such a controversial prescription without seeing the patient or reviewing his information.
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Ohio judge reverses order forcing hospital to give ivermectin | 10tv.com

They found a guy with no hospital privileges and he has not even examined the patient!!! I don't care where you stand politically or on Ivermectin, a doctor should not be prescribing drugs for a patient w/o thoroughly reviewing his case and personally examining him.

So this family went so far as to hire an attorney and take this court. Why go through so much trouble? Just find another doctor. Answer: it must have been near impossible to find such a doctor.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We need more options and less mandates. Let people have the ability to make their own health decision.

If you feel comfortable taking the new vaccine, that's perfectly fine. Have at it. But don't come after the people that don't choose that option. All people are not the same and all people do not assume the same risks. This is brand new territory we are trying to navigate through and you provax people act like you have all the answers when you don't know anymore about the long term side effects about this new vaccine than we did about Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID 18 months ago.

Stop grandstanding...
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I'm not grandstanding. I'm presenting facts. I support your right to not take the vax and I support your right to die of this needlessly. I'm not going to shed tears at your funeral. You had the chance to avoid this fate. This is why I don't care about the C19 numbers right now. These are largely people who opted not to get protected. That's on them
 
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Weezy said:
Did you read the vaccine info sheet when you got the jab? I did, it read the same. Have you read the labels on your mask box? I understand why some people would be more skeptical of either/or. The fact is everything is experimental right now.
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You're making my point. If an anti-vaxxer doesn't want any experimental drugs then why is he comfortable with Ivermectin and not the vax?
 
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Sea Ray said:
If a doctor you trust prescribes it, fine. Give it a go, but it's not easy to find such doctors. I wonder why???

I'll give you a specific example from my neck of the woods in southern Ohio. Gere's a case of a family who has someone who's been very sick with C19 since July. They want Ivermectin so bad they searched for a doctor and this is the best they could find:



Ohio judge reverses order forcing hospital to give ivermectin | 10tv.com

They found a guy with no hospital privileges and he has not even examined the patient!!! I don't care where you stand politically or on Ivermectin, a doctor should not be prescribing drugs for a patient w/o thoroughly reviewing his case and personally examining him.

So this family went so far as to hire an attorney and take this court. Why go through so much trouble? Just find another doctor. Answer: it must have been near impossible to find such a doctor.
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You are correct, it is hard to find a doctor that will prescribe it. It is just as hard to find a pharmacist to fill the prescription.

Luckily, the person I know couldn't get a doctor's prescription either, but he was able to work around those issues...
 
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Sea Ray said:
Are you sure about that? Did you know that one study showed that it sterilized 85% of men who took it?

Ivermectin causes sterilization in 85 percent of men, 2011 Nigerian study finds | WFLA

Here's the point, if you look hard enough, you'll find bad after effects of any drug and believe me, everyone is looking for this with the vaccine. If safety is your issue and not effectiveness, then you're still not on solid ground to opt for Ivermectin instead of the vax. If effectiveness is your priority then you're insane to forego the vax and rely on Ivermectin
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Shhhhh don't warn them. Natural selection, evolution, thinning the heard and what not.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Are you sure about that? Did you know that one study showed that it sterilized 85% of men who took it?

Ivermectin causes sterilization in 85 percent of men, 2011 Nigerian study finds | WFLA

Here's the point, if you look hard enough, you'll find bad after effects of any drug and believe me, everyone is looking for this with the vaccine. If safety is your issue and not effectiveness, then you're still not on solid ground to opt for Ivermectin instead of the vax. If effectiveness is your priority then you're insane to forego the vax and rely on Ivermectin
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That study is a crappy meme being passed around.
 
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Sea Ray said:
You're making my point. If an anti-vaxxer doesn't want any experimental drugs then why is he comfortable with Ivermectin and not the vax?
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I've told you before. Thete is already a track record of I erection being a safe drug. Sure, it doesn't have much of a history with regards to being used as a treatment for coronaviruses, but given a choice between injecting something with years of history behind it vs something with just under 18 months of history, my personal choice is to roll the dice with a known quantity.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Here's what I think is behind people choosing unproven treatments over the vaccine: They feel the vaccine is being forced upon them by the government which they despise. Whereas they're making the choice for Ivermectin and the gov't is against it.
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And a doctor prescribes ivermetcin. I wouldnt take any number of prescription drugs, or assume it's safe for me. Unless a doctor prescribes it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've told you before. Thete is already a track record of I erection being a safe drug. Sure, it doesn't have much of a history with regards to being used as a treatment for coronaviruses, but given a choice between injecting something with years of history behind it vs something with just under 18 months of history, my personal choice is to roll the dice with a known quantity.
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If that's the case then why won't the manufacturer tout its safety?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've told you before. Thete is already a track record of I erection being a safe drug. Sure, it doesn't have much of a history with regards to being used as a treatment for coronaviruses, but given a choice between injecting something with years of history behind it vs something with just under 18 months of history, my personal choice is to roll the dice with a known quantity.
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But that something with years of history behind it is completely unproven when it comes to treating viruses, let alone COVID. It has been used as an anti-parasitic treatment. You are essentially trying to use a paint brush to build a deck.

We have 9 months of live data around the vaccine along with studies before it was rolled out. It is clearly the safest and most effective way to prevent infection, serious illness, and death.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Once again, the manufacturer is not confident of its safety. If they say that then how can you say otherwise? Do you know more than Merck does?
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I am not arguing actual safety, just why people may be resisting one vs the other.

As far as I know there is only one option out there that can legally say it, and again it only could a month ago.

The vaccine push started far longer than a month ago.

Therefore getting pushed into a unknown is far more likely to upset people than choosing an unknown. Also the unknown at least comes with a side of direct doctor interaction to prescribe ivermetcin. That cant be overlooked.

AFAIK doctors cant, or at least dont, actually prescribe the vaccine. If a doctor prescribes me ivermetcin I personally have a strong reason to believe it will be safe for me even as an unknown.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I'm not grandstanding. I'm presenting facts. I support your right to not take the vax and I support your right to die of this needlessly. I'm not going to shed tears at your funeral. You had the chance to avoid this fate. This is why I don't care about the C19 numbers right now. These are largely people who opted not to get protected. That's on them
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And is too much to ask to leave people alone? We arent posting every story of someone dying after being vaxxed and rubbing it in your face every page like mad does.
 
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