Vaccine or not?

[BigOrangeMojo]

Doesn't Imposing a fine require a law to do so? What law do they think is on the books that allows the Feds to issue fines for non-compliance with their COVID edicts? More COVID fascism from the demented Biden

Id suspect he'll weaponize OSHA to get around that...

 

[allvol123]

2 weeks. 100 employees. Blah blah blah

These people are so stupid. What is the science behind 100 employees? There is none.

I hate this man.

 

[Boston Vol]

The rule is being “developed.” Meaning it’s still months away at best and probably will never take effect.

 

[Boston Vol]

2 weeks. 100 employees. Blah blah blah

These people are so stupid. What is the science behind 100 employees? There is none.

I hate this man.

There’s no science behind the 100 figure.

 

[allvol123]

There’s no science behind the 100 figure.

I know. Just another number pulled out of the air.

 

[davethevol]

There’s no science behind the 100 figure.

I’m guessing that would be the easiest to enforce. It would much more difficult following up with small businesses. This is a dangerous path we are heading down.

 

[allvol123]

Just more of his non-plan plans, to solve everything.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I know. Just another number pulled out of the air.

It's not pulled out of the air. A lot of OSHA, Paid Leave requirements are based on 100, 250, and 500 employees. 100 is the lowest number. Biden is weaponizing OSHA to limit legal challenges.

 

[allvol123]

It's not. A lot of OSHA, Paid Time Off requirements are based on 100, 250, and 500 employees. 100 is the lowest number. Biden is weaponizing OSHA to limit legal challenges.

That's even worse than pulling it out of thin air.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

That's even worse than pulling it out of thin air.

The Dems are being sneaky trying to get a legal workaround. Not much different than Texas Republicans with how they drafted their 6 week abortion law.

 

[RikidyBones]

It won't hold. Stupid order. Even dumber that it's on the eve of two variants that get around the vaccine gaining ground.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I guess we will stop at 99 employees. Biden.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The main point of Biden's speech is to give larger businesses the "legal and PR cover" needed to mandate vaccinations for their workforce.

(This isn't opining on the actual merits of mandated vaccinations for a workforce. Ultimately, that should be up to a business to decide.)

 

[Jxn Vol]

The main point of Biden's speech is to give larger businesses the "legal and PR cover" needed to mandate vaccinations for their workforce.

(This isn't opining on the actual merits of mandated vaccinations for a workforce. Ultimately, that should be up to a business to decide.)

A speech doesn’t give legal cover. And a “non-law”mandate doesn’t either.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

A speech doesn’t give legal cover. And a “non-law”mandate doesn’t either.

It gives PR cover though. There's a lot of businesses that want to mandate vaccinations but haven't done so yet. It will likely be via OSHA regulation and not a law. Companies that want to mandate will say "We want to get in compliance with proposed OSHA regulations..." as their rationale.

Again, not taking sides. Just pointing out where I think the Biden admin is coming from.

 

[Sea Ray]

Jacobson v. Massachusetts is the seminal case regarding a state or municipality’s authority to institute a mandatory vaccination program as an exercise of its police powers. 8 In Jacobson, the Supreme Court upheld a Massachusetts law that gave municipal boards of health the authority to require the vaccination of persons over the age of 21 against smallpox, and determined that the vaccination program instituted in the city of Cambridge had “a real and substantial relation to the protection of the public health and safety.”9 In upholding the law, the Court noted that “the police power of a State must be held to embrace, at least, such reasonable regulations established directly by legislative enactment as will protect the public health and the public safety.”10 The Court added that such laws were within the full discretion of the state, and that federal powers

The key word here is "laws". The president does not create laws. This has to go through the legislative process in order for your example to be analogous. I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to understand.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Lol this will be struck down by the court

John Roberts

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Most likely

You guys have entirely too much faith in the courts.

 

[evillawyer]

Would like to see the Venn diagram of antivax cops and cops with white supremacist views. Betcha there would be substantial overlap.

 

[tnmarktx]

You guys have entirely too much faith in the courts.

Doesn't matter, this is right up there with confiscating guns. This country is done. There's no way this doesn't blow up in their faces.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

John Roberts

If a ACA mandate didn't get struck down how will an OSHA mandate/regulation get struck down?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The key word here is "laws". The president does not create laws. This has to go through the legislative process in order for your example to be analogous. I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to understand.

We don't have justice in this country.

 

[RockyTop85]

If a ACA mandate didn't get struck down how will an OSHA mandate/regulation get struck down?

They’re totally different legal issues.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

They’re totally different legal issues.

Agree but do you think Roberts will see it that way?

 

[Volaholic320]

You guys have entirely too much faith in the courts.

I trust the courts as much as i trust EL telling the truth.