Vaccine or not?

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volfanhill said:
Are you one of those who ignores breaking into private offices, stealing private electronic devices form congressional leaders offices, smashing public property, hitting police with polls, and spraying bear mace but think all BLM rioters should go to jail? This "staying between the velvet ropes line" is about as intellectually dishonest as when the BLM people claim it was "mostly" peaceful.
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No it looks like you see things exactly as I do. I just currently am poking the people from the other side of the argument.

People act like 1/6 was some travesty while ignoring attempted murder through arson and throwing bricks at federal courthouses and police stations. I see absolutely no difference in the two riotous thugs.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Honest question to the obvious recipients: why is there no mention of those with naturally-acquired immunity?

There is no doubt, at this point, that recovery from natural infection offers better protection against mutated strains of the virus. Why would a person with laboratory-confirmed antibodies against multiple SARS-CoV-2 targets be required to be reimmunized in order to receive the special privileges that we have all enjoyed for the past 245 years?
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am I one of the obvious?

I obviously believe the vaccine is good in the majority of cases and most should get it.
I don’t believe anyone should be required to get it.
I’ve looked at as much data on your example as I can find and I’m not sure if I’d get the vaccine if I’d had Covid.
To be fair I’ve not seen or maybe not noticed many arguing that they should. I’ve seen a lot of unvaccinated people bringing it up and it’s usually those (unlike you) who have not had Covid so it’s irrelevant to them. I made a lot of people angry on here by suggesting that this argument was irrelevant to those who never had Covid.
 
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Weezy said:
Did you read the vaccine info sheet when you got the jab? I did, it read the same. Have you read the labels on your mask box? I understand why some people would be more skeptical of either/or. The fact is everything is experimental right now.
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I wouldn't even say it's experimental at this point. The manufacture says masks won't prevent Chinese Flu.. yet they are mandated. What's experimental about that?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Are you sure about that? Did you know that one study showed that it sterilized 85% of men who took it?

Ivermectin causes sterilization in 85 percent of men, 2011 Nigerian study finds | WFLA

Here's the point, if you look hard enough, you'll find bad after effects of any drug and believe me, everyone is looking for this with the vaccine. If safety is your issue and not effectiveness, then you're still not on solid ground to opt for Ivermectin instead of the vax. If effectiveness is your priority then you're insane to forego the vax and rely on Ivermectin
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Insane? Hardly. I KNOW people that have used Ivermectin and seen astonishing results.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
A- completely possible
B- I've never claimed to be a doctor, but have urged people to follow CDC and FDA guidelines. Those guidelines say the vaccine is the absolute best option to prevent the infection and spread of COVID. From my personal experience and everyone I know to be vaccinated that is 100% true.
C- On the subject of COVID that is you. You consistently go against what the overwhelming majority of the medical community advises. All you do is relay the unfounded right wing medical advice of the day. Masks don't work, the vaccine is unproven, the vaccine isn't safe, take ivermectin instead. I've seen you do all of it.
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kiddiedoc said:
N95 masks are best. Regular masks are better than nothing, when used correctly. This kind of virus is spread by respiratory droplets.
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I don’t think he was anti-mask.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Are you sure about that? Did you know that one study showed that it sterilized 85% of men who took it?

Ivermectin causes sterilization in 85 percent of men, 2011 Nigerian study finds | WFLA

Here's the point, if you look hard enough, you'll find bad after effects of any drug and believe me, everyone is looking for this with the vaccine. If safety is your issue and not effectiveness, then you're still not on solid ground to opt for Ivermectin instead of the vax. If effectiveness is your priority then you're insane to forego the vax and rely on Ivermectin
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Lol
 
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mad4vols said:
Numbers don’t lie, when you compare the state by state breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths with the unvaccinated there is no comparison. These are facts.
See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State

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What you fail to mention, take into account and question is what is the definition of unvaccinated in this country? The US refuses to do a breakdown of no shot, 1 shot, 2 shots not 2 weeks and 2 shots and 2 weeks removed amongst hospitalized patients. Unvaxed by the CDC’s definition is anyone not 2+ weeks removed from their 2nd shot; that leaves a lot of room to claim “unvaccinated”. What would would be your thoughts if say 50% of the “unvaxed” were individuals in between shots and/or not 2 weeks removed? You can’t chastise them for being “unvaxed” when they’re trying to get there they just haven’t gotten that far yet. And stats like that would (or at least should) really make people question if there’s an immune weakening effect going on in the early stages. The overall point though, is if there’s nothing suspicious or nothing to hide, why won’t hospitals and the CDC report the true vaccination status of individuals and let the world see that data breakdown?
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
What you fail to mention, take into account and question is what is the definition of unvaccinated in this country? The US refuses to do a breakdown of no shot, 1 shot, 2 shots not 2 weeks and 2 shots and 2 weeks removed amongst hospitalized patients. Unvaxed by the CDC’s definition is anyone not 2+ weeks removed from their 2nd shot; that leaves a lot of room to claim “unvaccinated”. What would would be your thoughts if say 50% of the “unvaxed” were individuals in between shots and/or not 2 weeks removed? You can’t chastise them for being “unvaxed” when they’re trying to get there they just haven’t gotten that far yet. And stats like that would (or at least should) really make people question if there’s an immune weakening effect going on in the early stages. The overall point though, is if there’s nothing suspicious or nothing to hide, why won’t hospitals and the CDC report the true vaccination status of individuals and let the world see that data breakdown?
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These vaccines are not stopping anything, people are still getting sick, vaccinated or not. Gov and phatma setting it up to the point that you'll need a monthly vaccine shot. There is No need to be forced to get a vaccine to when 99.999% are still recovering.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
am I one of the obvious?

I obviously believe the vaccine is good in the majority of cases and most should get it.
I don’t believe anyone should be required to get it.
I’ve looked at as much data on your example as I can find and I’m not sure if I’d get the vaccine if I’d had Covid.
To be fair I’ve not seen or maybe not noticed many arguing that they should. I’ve seen a lot of unvaccinated people bringing it up and it’s usually those (unlike you) who have not had Covid so it’s irrelevant to them. I made a lot of people angry on here by suggesting that this argument was irrelevant to those who never had Covid.
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There’s likely a lot of people who have had Covid already and still don’t know it. If the government makes a caveat for those who have had Covid, everyone without a confirmed case should go get an antibody test. It would be laughable if/when the majority of unvaxed are naturally immune. When the CDC admits the extrapolated serology tests show this exact scenario it makes the vaccine more obsolete and opens more questions as to why it’s being pushed so hard.
 
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evillawyer said:
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Then they're idiots. Biden made a plethora of ridiculous statements yesterday. However, the biggest one and the one that should terrify anyone whether they are 1000% vax or not is that he made a veiled threat at removing governor's powers to govern their state. Dude thinks he's Emperor. He was also very emotional and almost unhinged. I wish he was as passionate about our border, Afghanistan, inflation, job growth, etc as he is about threatening his own citizens and elected officials. Absolute putz.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
am I one of the obvious?

I obviously believe the vaccine is good in the majority of cases and most should get it.
I don’t believe anyone should be required to get it.
I’ve looked at as much data on your example as I can find and I’m not sure if I’d get the vaccine if I’d had Covid.
To be fair I’ve not seen or maybe not noticed many arguing that they should. I’ve seen a lot of unvaccinated people bringing it up and it’s usually those (unlike you) who have not had Covid so it’s irrelevant to them. I made a lot of people angry on here by suggesting that this argument was irrelevant to those who never had Covid.
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Good post. I don’t agree with you on a whole lot of things, but we’ve been of the same mind on this for a while.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Governors rise up. Give them a lesson in federalism. And make them like it.
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I love how the GOP is all about federalism and states' rights when there's a Dem president, but that enthusiasm seems to disappear when there's a republican president.
 
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evillawyer said:
I love how the GOP is all about federalism and states' rights when there's a Dem president, but that enthusiasm seems to disappear when there's a republican president.
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The governments job is not to protect you. It’s there to protect your rights.

Go sit in the corner commie batturd.
 
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