Vaccine or not?

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Septic said:
A test is mandatory in the absence of a vaccine, a vaccine is mandatory in the absense of a test. This isn't debatable or an argument I've posited. The objective presence of the inherent option is why calling this a "vaccine" mandate is dumb. Even if you screech about what the "media" calls it.

Don't get the vaccine, it's not mandatory. You have the option.

Your pride in feeling the need to be right is overriding any common sense you may possess.
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You should have stopped when I posted the definition of what a mandate is .. your ego wouldn’t let you . Lol
 
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mad4vols said:
Nurse’s trying to talk people out of getting the COVID vaccine are criminals and should lose their license.
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How about nurse's trying to talk people into getting it?

If your overall point is that they are overstepping their role in giving advice on the shot. Then it stands to reason that if you feel they are not qualified to give medical opinions based on their research against the shot, then you would feel just as strong that it would be a criminal act to give advice to take the shot since there is no way of knowing the full side effects it could have on a per person basis.
 
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C1500 said:
I'll agree. I'm not 100% sure how I feel about vaccination requirements to go to a public school (That's taxpayer funded that is) but that's just my personal opinion.
Any private school should be able to require what ever rules they would like to be in place, but that also just my opinion.

So in your opinion do you feel like since Biden was elected that he should have the power to force the 50 states to require the shot? I don't want to make it sound like I am making a this red vs blue thing. I just want to be sure I under your stance and not twisting your words. Since you said "society always ultimately makes the call" I didn't know if you was meaning by society the U.S. as whole or by state to state. Where as you feel who ever the sitting POTUS is at the time no matter his party could require the people to something he felt necessary for the U.S., or if you feel like society was state based where the governor had the power for the people for his state.

Lets say 13 states didn't vote for Jim Bob Cooter for POTUS. He wants to make people wear Bama red on Saturdays because it makes the Russians mad. Should: (A) Jim Bob have the power over all 50 state to force the change, (B) The governors can force the change on a state to state basis depending on how the people of the state voted by majority, or (C) People pick based on the way they feel when they wake up Saturday morning?

I know that's a dumb comparison, but It's the only thing I could think of that's not a super politically charged topic. Again I'm not trying to belittle your response I just want to make sure I am understanding what you fully mean and not just assuming.

I just feel that giving that type of power to the POTUS is a steep slope. I wouldn't trust Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, or Biden with that set of power IMO. I know they was voted in by the people, but the POTUS outlook sometimes changes while in office. Again thanks for your response.
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First. Private schools get plenty of federal and state money. That's what the whole "voucher" movement is all about.

If there is a national health emergency, I guess the president probably does ultimately have that authority.

Society would never accept a presidential mandate on Saturday shirt color.
Society would never accept a statewide mandate on Saturday shirt color.
That sort of gets to my point - society always ultimately decides. (and that is exactly as it should be)
 
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luthervol said:
First. Private schools get plenty of federal and state money. That's what the whole "voucher" movement is all about.

If there is a national health emergency, I guess the president probably does ultimately have that authority.

Society would never accept a presidential mandate on Saturday shirt color.
Society would never accept a statewide mandate on Saturday shirt color.
That sort of gets to my point - society always ultimately decides. (and that is exactly as it should be)
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This “society” bs is the dumbest stuff we will read today but I’m sure you’ll post it again.
 
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Fifty years from now history will not reflect well on the GOP for their irrational reluctance to withiut mealy-mouthed equivocation promote the vaccine.
 
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Interesting how nobody in the media is talking about the Afghanistan debacle now.

Oh and a vaccine mandate for a 99% survivable virus. Stupid.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Meh, what's Plan B? Because this won't fly.
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They’ll come up with a compromise. They will split the baby and negotiate the rule to be that you only need the first shot of the vaccine or require testing every two weeks. The Heritage Foundation and National Review will offer position papers on why we must do this and will cheer it as a conservative “win” as we continue our march into fascism.
 
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evillawyer said:
I think this is the wrong way to look at it because it's too individualistic. If you take this line of reasoning and apply it to something like voting, there's never going to be a reason to vote (the chance of your vote making a difference in an election--i.e., tipping it one way or the other--is exceedingly small and that chance of making a difference is clearly outweighed by the costs to the individual of voting (registering, waiting in line, being put on jury duty, taking time off from work, etc)). You have to appeal to things like civic good, and not what is rational purely for the individual, when dealing with younger people who have a very high likelihood of not having any serious issues if they catch COVID.
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what kind of idiot approaches every issue the same way?
 
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midnight orange said:
They’ll come up with a compromise. They will split the baby and negotiate the rule to be that you only need the first shot of the vaccine or require testing every two weeks. The Heritage Foundation and National Review will offer position papers on why we must do this and will cheer it as a conservative “win” as we continue our march into fascism.
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The sheep will eat that up.
 
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