Vaccine or not?

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C1500 said:
I really feel for the workers. I know one ones job is "easy", but she has come home and just broke down a bunch. She always says she's fine holding it together at work, but once she gets home she has to let it out. I'm not sure where you stand in all this mess. I know my wife walked into work for a year trying to help fight something they new nothing about and was called a hero, then less then a year was told if she didn't take the shot she was a killer.

She said it wasn't that she wasn't for it, its that anything they asked was met with "just take it", "if you don't you don't care about anyone but yourself". Which IMO it a cruel thing to say to someone who risked their life for you not a year ago instead for staying at home in fear like a bunch of other people. I think it fair to ask what side affects it could have before getting stuck.

Either way I wish you the best on your shifts, and wish you healthiness as you guys go into this mess.
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I’ve been in ICU for the entire covid run. I got covid at work resulting in 2 weeks of illness in March 2020. July 2020 I started traveling. I saw how each hospital dealt with covid, what worked and what didn’t. I saw overwhelming lapses in infection control, delay of treatment, improper guidance from the cdc and and some circumstances that were just counter intuitive to everything we know about viruses.
I don’t have a problem with those wanting the vaccine, I’ll even help them find a place to get it. I will not give the shot or receive it. I have offered at every place I’ve worked to be tested for antibodies. They all refuse the offer at my expense. My confusion lies in the fact, I’ve had a very active case of a virus, self treated at home going against some cdc guidelines, came out on the other side to find the medical world is losing its mind over a shot they aren’t willing , but given every opportunity, to prove I need.
Refused x 2 testing for my original covid, refused antibody testing by my doctor, refused antibody testing by 4 facilities including my current job.
I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is but for some strange reason they won’t order the test.

It has been very hard to watch people die without family present. The nurse is usually the only one with them when they pass. My grief load over that alone is tremendous. Once they are vented, we know what happens. They die. To say that grief overload isn’t a thing would be a lie.
Knowing alternative treatments are out there that could prevent them from entering the hospital in the first place and having the vaccine being pushed as the ONLY answer is one of those counter intuitive things I spoke of earlier.
If the only answer your wife is receiving is just take it, one of the key tenants to receiving treatment for any therapy, procedure or drug is informed consent. There is no informed consent with this shot. I don’t know if anyone realizes this there is the cdc saying it’s safe and then there’s the reality of we don’t have any assurances that’s true in 2 years. I tell my pts every drug I give them it’s use and possible side effects. They have the right to refuse the drug. I also withhold drugs on medical judgement of need and explain why I’m holding the drug. It is their healthcare and they should be involved in it. These are listed in the patients Bill of rights, yet healthcare workers are devoid of any rights? No.
We are already redlining on nursing shortages, let them go ahead with the agenda and the healthcare nursing shortages will get worse. Talk about healthcare systems shooting themself in the foot. Seems almost the best intention will end up with the worst results.
I appreciate your thoughts. I wish you and your wife well.
 
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Vol423 said:
Seriously? We can’t post about topics that, as you agree, are directly related regarding the underlying political issues on a politics subforum? Why is it that the politics forum of all places, a subforum that by its very nature lets posters know going in that they will hear differing opinions, is the most heavily moderated board on the entire Volnation site? As a staff member, you are deliberately trying to shut down political discussion of a directly related topic just because I didn’t create a separate thread on it. In other subforums on Volnation, that doesn’t happen.
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C1500 said:
I could be wrong here, but I think what they was saying is you was making a great point and there is a few threads in the politics sub forum that might net you a better discussion than in this thread. I don't think they was shutting you down from talking here or they would have just deleted your post.
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Or perhaps, as you suggest, I'm just overreacting. It's been a rough week. My apologies to kiddiedoc.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Do you also complain about the mandate that employers require proof of citizenship as a condition of employment or face heavy fines?
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I just recently complained about just that. Not the actual proof but the companies methods of verifying. Instead of handing your passport and ID to a Human Resources officer my last 2 companies required a perfect stranger to enter my office space and verify my forms of ID on zoom. My office space is in my bedroom, I refused to do this and amazingly since my IDs were recorded at my physical they acquiesced and accepted them.
 
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Nurse’s trying to talk people out of getting the COVID vaccine are criminals and should lose their license.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The unwillingness of others to provide you with remedial, well-documented, and publicly available information does not mean the information is either unknown or unknowable. In this case, it just means people don’t think you’re worth their time because you’re making yourself look like an idiot.

Take that for what it is: well-intentioned advice.

… Or get mad, throw a hissy, spike the football in your own end zone, and declare yourself the winner. Makes no difference to me.

If you legitimately don’t know what the benefits of the vaccine are at this point, that’s probably the best argument I’ve seen for mandated vaccination.
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Most of us are 40 plus, so if the therapeutic kills us in a 20yrs or so it won't matter, but the risk vs benefits to a younger person simply aren't known yet. I don't think the choice is that easy and to think otherwise is a tad arrogant, imo.
 
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Vol423 said:
Or perhaps, as you suggest, I'm just overreacting. It's been a rough week. My apologies to kiddiedoc.
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All good, I think you misunderstood my direction. I just try to keep things on 'Rona in this forum. Sorry you've had a rough week... Maybe a W today will help?

Otherwise, hope you get to relax a little this weekend and enjoy some college football, an adult beverage or two, and a nice steak.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
criminals, How so?
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Because they’re not Doctors
My wife is a retired RN with 20+ years of Cath lab experience. She often understood what the patient needed more than the Dr did because of her experience. She would make recommendations to the Dr but never overstepped her role because…….she’s not the Dr.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
No positive flu panels in ICU in 18 months. Since we treat a bevy of cases yearly, I find it inexplicable and highly suspicious. We can always look at what’s happening in front of us but we also need to look at what’s not happening.
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Do you think that can be attributed to people wearing masks and being more cautious?
 
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The liberals are really going to love when the federal government starts incentivizing large company owe to enforce the mandate.

Give it time.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Wait .. so there was two choices given by the President today to employers, you think because you have a choice between the two , that getting the vaccine IS NOT a mandate , but choosing to be tested multiple times IS a mandate ? You accuse me of a lack of critical thinking after that ? BOTH ARE MANDATES
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A test is mandatory in the absence of a vaccine, a vaccine is mandatory in the absense of a test. This isn't debatable or an argument I've posited. The objective presence of the inherent option is why calling this a "vaccine" mandate is dumb. Even if you screech about what the "media" calls it.

Don't get the vaccine, it's not mandatory. You have the option.

Your pride in feeling the need to be right is overriding any common sense you may possess.
 
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Do I think the virus is real... Absolutely. However, forcing people to take a vaccine that has untold number of side effects that has been discovered and is still ongoing of discovery.. is just inhumane.

The fact that the sitting president is treating blood born American's worse than the Taliban is very telling..
 
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TNJOKER said:
Do I think the virus is real... Absolutely. However, forcing people to take a vaccine that has untold number of side effects that has been discovered and is still ongoing of discovery.. is just inhumane.

The fact that the sitting president is treating blood born American's worse than the Taliban is very telling..
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Quit your b**chin' and get vaxxed. Enough of this already. You guys are the problem for the rest of us.
Alabama man dies from cardiac event after 43 hospitals turn him away
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Most of us are 40 plus, so if the therapeutic kills us in a 20yrs or so it won't matter, but the risk vs benefits to a younger person simply aren't known yet. I don't think the choice is that easy and to think otherwise is a tad arrogant, imo.
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I don’t really disagree with this and I’m not saying the choice is easy, I’m saying the benefits are easily knowable.

I understand the risks are not. If somebody looks into it and determines that the statistical benefit is small enough to be outweighed by the unknown, it is rational to decline.

It’s not rational to go around insisting that there are no benefits, because that’s not true, it makes the decision harder for others, and ratchets up the social stigma on those who have chosen to decline. Also, anybody who really believes that there are “no benefits” hasn’t done a proper cost/benefit analysis and ought to reconsider, even if they ultimately come to the same conclusion.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t really disagree with this and I’m not saying the choice is easy, I’m saying the benefits are easily knowable.

I understand the risks are not. If somebody looks into it and determines that the statistical benefit is small enough to be outweighed by the unknown, it is rational to decline.

It’s not rational to go around insisting that there are no benefits, because that’s not true, it makes the decision harder for others, and ratchets up the social stigma on those who have chosen to decline. Also, anybody who really believes that there are “no benefits” hasn’t done a proper cost/benefit analysis and ought to reconsider, even if they ultimately come to the same conclusion.
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I think this is the wrong way to look at it because it's too individualistic. If you take this line of reasoning and apply it to something like voting, there's never going to be a reason to vote (the chance of your vote making a difference in an election--i.e., tipping it one way or the other--is exceedingly small and that chance of making a difference is clearly outweighed by the costs to the individual of voting (registering, waiting in line, being put on jury duty, taking time off from work, etc)). You have to appeal to things like civic good, and not what is rational purely for the individual, when dealing with younger people who have a very high likelihood of not having any serious issues if they catch COVID.
 
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Septic said:
A test is mandatory in the absence of a vaccine, a vaccine is mandatory in the absense of a test. This isn't debatable or an argument I've posited. The objective presence of the inherent option is why calling this a "vaccine" mandate is dumb. Even if you screech about what the "media" calls it.

Don't get the vaccine, it's not mandatory. You have the option.

Your pride in feeling the need to be right is overriding any common sense you may possess.
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But where's the "fer me" option?

 
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Regardless of how you feel about vaccinations I encourage all of you to visit the "Prayers" thread in the Tennessee Vols Football section of the forum. One of our own is asking for prayers and support.
 
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