Vaccine or not?

[GrayWaterCanine]

False. The director of security isn't charged with the job of informing her of her employment status. She's wasting everyone's time. Hire a lawyer

It's absolutely not his job. He is doing as instructed, but it benefits whoever strategically decided not to have managers or HR representatives speak directly to these employees to clarify the situation. It is evident they want them to walk away from shift and off property to create a status they wish to apply to these employees in that situation. I think she will hire a lawyer, but she had to react properly to maintain an advantageous legal position.

 

[volfanhill]

I think it’s the opposite for UE.

Probably not. Medical providers require vaccination of various things all the time. Now that the vaccine has full FDA approval she's screwed. I am sure she signed something years ago that allows them to do this. Pretty typical. Once the emergency use went away it boxed in most medical professionals.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Postal Service Unions Spent Big on Biden. Now They’re Exempted From the Federal Vaccine Mandate

President Joe Biden's COVID-19 vaccine mandate for federal workers will exempt United States Postal Service (USPS) employees who pumped millions of dollars into the 2020 election campaign.

A USPS spokesman told the Washington Free Beacon that Biden's mandate, announced Thursday, will not apply to the nearly 500,000 workers who deliver mail to American residents each day. The postal service's status as an independent agency frees it from the purview of the executive order. The exempted workers happen to be members of two of the most influential government workers unions in the country.

The American Postal Workers Union and National Association of Letter Carriers spent about $3 million on the 2020 elections, with nearly all of the money going to boost Biden and other Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Neither union responded to requests for comment.

Postal Service Unions Spent Big on Biden. Now They're Exempted From the Federal Vaccine Mandate - Washington Free Beacon

They spent $3 Million on the Biden/Harris campaign. I've always been told they were always broke and were underwater and can't survive another two years & needed more government help with more money just to stay afloat.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Being fired wouldn't qualify her for UE necessarily. And there is nothing to indicate the people she's talking to are authorized or capable of providing her with one. She can't just demand give me one now. Not how it works. Again, she's an idiot.

If she's asked to vacate the premises she's been terminated. If she's been terminated cause then the employer will have to prove why they terminated her. I'm not sure refusal to get am experimental vaccine is justification for termination. That will have to be litigated. Documenting an altercation is anything but being an idiot.

 

[volfanhill]

It's absolutely not his job. He is doing as instructed, but it benefits whoever strategically decided not to have managers or HR representatives speak directly to these employees to clarify the situation. It is evident they want them to walk away from shift and off property to create a status they wish to apply to these employees in that situation. I think she will hire a lawyer, but she had to react properly to maintain an advantageous legal position.

She wasn't scheduled. She came in to "pick" up. I see the angle you think they are playing. And I could see that too.

 

[volfanhill]

If she's asked to vacate the premises she's been terminated. If she's been terminated cause then the employer will have to prove why they terminated her. I'm not sure refusal to get am experimental vaccine is justification for termination. That will have to be litigated. Documenting an altercation is anything but being an idiot.

She's an idiot. And the vaccine has full FDA approval. No longer emergency. That argument died long ago. And being removed from property does not mean termination. I have had a few people removed by police, for refusing to follow management instructions to vacate premises, who did not lose their job.

 

[MAD]

Postal Service Unions Spent Big on Biden. Now They’re Exempted From the Federal Vaccine Mandate

President Joe Biden's COVID-19 vaccine mandate for federal workers will exempt United States Postal Service (USPS) employees who pumped millions of dollars into the 2020 election campaign.

A USPS spokesman told the Washington Free Beacon that Biden's mandate, announced Thursday, will not apply to the nearly 500,000 workers who deliver mail to American residents each day. The postal service's status as an independent agency frees it from the purview of the executive order. The exempted workers happen to be members of two of the most influential government workers unions in the country.

The American Postal Workers Union and National Association of Letter Carriers spent about $3 million on the 2020 elections, with nearly all of the money going to boost Biden and other Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Neither union responded to requests for comment.

Postal Service Unions Spent Big on Biden. Now They're Exempted From the Federal Vaccine Mandate - Washington Free Beacon

White House denies report of exemption for U.S. Postal Service from vaccine mandate - Washington Times
White House denies report of exemption for U.S. Postal Service from vaccine mandate

 

[GrayWaterCanine]

Being fired wouldn't qualify her for UE necessarily. And there is nothing to indicate the people she's talking to are authorized or capable of providing her with one. She can't just demand give me one now. Not how it works. Again, she's an idiot.

They are refusing her the ability to talk with the manager or HR about her official status. She is in limbo. She cant even talk to those that can grant or deny letter. Physically trying to remove her quickly with no offer to talk with HR looks strategic on their part. Also, not sure she qualifies for unemployment, but there will be plenty of upcoming test cases and she likely will be one.

 

[volfanhill]

They are refusing her the ability to talk with the manager or HR about her official status. She is in limbo. She cant even talk to those that can grant or deny letter. Physically trying to remove her quickly with no offer to talk with HR looks strategic on their part. Also, not sure she qualifies for unemployment, but there will be plenty of upcoming test cases and she likely will be one.

What right does she have to talk to someone right then? None. You don't just get to disrupt everyone else's schedule bc you are an ass hat.

 

[MAD]

They are refusing her the ability to talk with the manager or HR about her official status. She is in limbo. She cant even talk to those that can grant or deny letter. Physically trying to remove her quickly with no offer to talk with HR looks strategic on their part. Also, not sure she qualifies for unemployment, but there will be plenty of upcoming test cases and she likely will be one.

Or she could get the vaccine. Simple as that.

 

[C-south]

Or she could get the vaccine. Simple as that.

Or claim exemption for religious reasons.

 

[InVOLuntary]

She's an idiot. And the vaccine has full FDA approval. No longer emergency. That argument died long ago. And being removed from property does not mean termination. I have had a few people removed by police, for refusing to follow management instructions to vacate premises, who did not lose their job.

Lol. The video proved they were being terminated. They asked for their credentials. You can spin it however you want but she has proof that she was terminated.

 

[volfanhill]

Lol. The video proved they were being terminated. They asked for their credentials. You can spin it however you want but she has proof that she was terminated.

No. I take keys and remove access codes all the time for managers I suspend and am investigating. For all I know she on a LPI. She's bitching to the wrong people and likely knows it.

And yes she terminated. But her approach isn't helping her cause. And she's debating the wrong people.

 

[GrayWaterCanine]

What right does she have to talk to someone right then? None.

I cannot recall ever hearing about someone showing up for work, having their time card deactivated, and trying to speak with a manager about their status being denied an immediate conversation with a manager or HR about their status. What was she supposed to do? She is scheduled to work and needs to know why she cannot do so and what that means. Regardless of whether she is right or wrong, you have to clarify her work status. Just tell her if she is fired or if they consider that she quit based on the situation.

 

[InVOLuntary]

No. I take keys and remove access codes all the time for managers I suspend and am investigating.

Lol. The nurse even said "you don't work here anymore ". Are you really going to die on this hill?

 

[volfanhill]

Lol. The nurse even said "you don't work here anymore ". Are you really going to die on this hill?

She may very well be fired. And probably is. It's not even relevant. Her argument is they have to give her a letter. They don't. And it's not their job. That's why she's an idiot. Her issue isn't with who she was talking to. At least there is no indication that the woman she's talking to is her supervisor.

 

[GrayWaterCanine]

She may very well be fired. And probably is. It's not even relevant. Her argument is they have to give her a letter. They don't. And it's not their job. That's why she's an idiot.

Agreed. They do not have to give her a letter. It's as simple as saying either "your employment here is terminated" or "we consider your lack of following the vaccination policy to be voluntarily resigning your position". Follow either of those with "please depart the premises immediately or we will have to consider you trespassing". The issue is purposely avoiding telling her anything about being denied the ability to start her scheduled work shift.

 

[InVOLuntary]

She may very well be fired. And probably is. It's not even relevant. Her argument is they have to give her a letter. They don't. And it's not their job. That's why she's an idiot.

Lol. She got exactly what she was after. It is 100% relative because they were never giving her a letter. Their claim would have been that she quit because she wouldn't agree to "new" conditions of her employment. They would have controlled the narrative. Now she controls the narrative. It was very smart on her part. If you cant see this then I can't help you.

Now if you want to argue that the employer had the right to make the vaccine a condition of her employment then you might have an argument. I'm not sure they can. Do they require proof of all the other vaccines such as polio or more etc..?

 

[volfanhill]

Agreed. They do not have to give her a letter. It's as simple as saying either "your employment here is terminated" or "we consider your lack of following the vaccination policy to be voluntarily resigning your position". Follow either of those with "please depart the premises immediately or we will have to consider you trespassing". The issue is purposely avoiding telling her anything about being denied the ability to start her scheduled work shift.

The guard doesn't have to say any of that. He just has to say you need to go and take it up up with someone who isn't me. She can't demand a meeting with whoever she wants in that moment. And if they don't want to give her the answers she wants hire a lawyer.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Agreed. They do not have to give her a letter. It's as simple as saying either "your employment here is terminated" or "we consider your lack of following the vaccination policy to be voluntarily resigning your position". Follow either of those with "please depart the premises immediately or we will have to consider you trespassing". The issue is purposely avoiding telling her anything about being denied the ability to start her scheduled work shift.

I don't know why he's chosing this battle. He's arguing to be argumentative it seems. The video will be used when she goes forward with a minimum of unemployment benefits.

 

[volfanhill]

Lol. She got exactly what she was after. It is 100% relative because they were never giving her a letter. They're claim would have been that she quit because she wouldn't agree to "new" conditions of her employment. They would have controlled the narrative. Now she controls the narrative. It was very smart on her part. If you cant see this then I can't help you.

Now if you want to argue that the employer had the right to make the vaccine a condition of her employment then you might have an argument. I'm not sure they can. Do they require proof of all the other vaccines such as polio or more etc..?

Many require flu vaccines every year. She's asking for a letter from people you have no clue if they can A.) Provide one or B.) if they are even required to. So Bill the janitor didn't give me a letter. He's as qualified as the head of security in this matter.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Many require flu vaccines every year. She's asking for a letter from people you have no clue if they can A.) Provide one or B.) if they are even required to. So Bill the janitor didn't give me a letter. He's as qualified as the head of security in this matter.

Ok.

 

[GrayWaterCanine]

The guard doesn't have to say any of that. He just has to say you need to go and take it up up with someone who isn't me. She can't demand a meeting with whoever she wants in that moment. And if they don't want to give her the answers she wants hire a lawyer.

The denial of the conversation is exactly why she has to take it to that point. She has to have the security guard initiate the departure to display she did not leave voluntarily and therefore quit. It's all just strategic posturing. She won that battle. Not sure she wins the war though

 

[GrayWaterCanine]

Many require flu vaccines every year. She's asking for a letter from people you have no clue if they can A.) Provide one or B.) if they are even required to. So Bill the janitor didn't give me a letter. He's as qualified as the head of security in this matter.

This has nothing to do with the security guard or the letter.

 

[MAD]