Vaccine or not?

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NurseGoodVol said:
That’s the stepping stone I was looking for the cardiac icu rn. It is the last step before CRNA usually because of the acuity required and the check mark for critical care time. There is always a flux in cardiothorasic surgical ICU staffing because it is the best choice while doing CRNA.

I’ve been with covid pts for the most part of 18 month at 5 different facilities in ICU. I think the experiences I’ve had are different than yours as a CRNA unless you got sucked into team nursing on an ICU due to canceled surgeries. I only saw CRNAs when they were reporting off on cov + emergency surgical pts they transferred to us. So I’m not discounting your experiences as a gas master ( as my nephew calls himself) but it’s not the same as existing in covid ICUs for the duration of covid. They are totally different perspectives and different levels of activity.
With nursing shortages being what they are now it’s even more interesting. That’s putting the situation mildly.
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Oh don’t get me wrong, I have mountains of respect for the conditions confronted by covid unit RNs the past couple years. My wife was an assistant manager of one of the designated covid pos units at a big level I. She was in the numbers every day (even though her contract explicitly stated that she wasn’t to have any pt assignments). Her experience was unreal at times.

The facility I have been at through most of this had us doing all of the tubes. I was in the ICU a lot, and as you stated our electives shut down for quite a while, so we got all kinds of different things delegated to us.

Nothing but respect. The ratios and workload have been unreal.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Oh don’t get me wrong, I have mountains of respect for the conditions confronted by covid unit RNs the past couple years. My wife was an assistant manager of one of the designated covid pos units at a big level I. She was in the numbers every day (even though her contract explicitly stated that she wasn’t to have any pt assignments). Her experience was unreal at times.

The facility I have been at through most of this had us doing all of the tubes. I was in the ICU a lot, and as you stated our electives shut down for quite a while, so we got all kinds of different things delegated to us.

Nothing but respect. The ratios and workload have been unreal.
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Which makes you wonder why they’re trying to drive the people that’s been doing this for a year and a half away.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Here's a question that I've pondered... if an employer requires a vaccine as a condition of employment and then say in 2-3 years a debilitating adverse reaction emerges, can the employer be held liable for forcing the vaccine?
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Good question, one I'm sure we'll eventually find the answer to.
 
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Seems as if Biden & his minions have abandoned the art of persuasion & have decided to simply employ strong arm tactics to get people to comply with their vaccine mandate. That way there's NO thinking allowed.
 
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volfanhill said:
She's an idiot. And the vaccine has full FDA approval. No longer emergency. That argument died long ago. And being removed from property does not mean termination. I have had a few people removed by police, for refusing to follow management instructions to vacate premises, who did not lose their job.
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Keep saying that Dorothy. You might make it back to Kansas if you say it enough.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Security would not have brought that nurse into the equation if she didn’t fill some official capacity.
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No doubt. I see this as another intentionally created crisis. They have been screaming that there is a nursing crisis for... how long? Years? I pray that enough of you stand your ground and we can watch this whole thing blow up in their face. Same with my industry.
 
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TikTok is only legitimate when it reinforces your political biases or when you can make fun of the content. I think that's the rule here?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Not sure what you’re getting at, care to expound on this?
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Pretty simple. These people have worked for a year and a half on the front lines putting themselves at risk. Now they’re being forced to take a vaccine they may or may not want or they can’t quit their job. For a year and a half it didn’t matter but now it does for no real reason other than checking a box and complying with a “mandate”. There also no taking into account those that already had the virus.
 
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C-south said:
Pretty simple. These people have worked for a year and a half on the front lines putting themselves at risk. Now they’re being forced to take a vaccine they may or may not want or they can’t quit their job. For a year and a half it didn’t matter but now it does for no real reason other than checking a box and complying with a “mandate”. There also no taking into account those that already had the virus.
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Identity politics and public health don’t mix well. Nobody was up in arms when basically every HC facility in America required their employees either get an annual flu shot or required masking if they opted out of the shot. Its been that way as long as I’ve been in healthcare, and we all knew it was for the benefit of our patients. So can we just stop acting like babies about it?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Identity politics and public health don’t mix well. Nobody was up in arms when basically every HC facility in America required their employees either get an annual flu shot or required masking if they opted out of the shot. Its been that way as long as I’ve been in healthcare, and we all knew it was for the benefit of our patients. So can we just stop acting like babies about it?
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I can see why nobody cared about flu shots. They’ve been around for decades. Longer than most of us have been alive probably. It’s common.

Covid vaccine was developed and released using never before approved for human use technology less than a year after Covid appeared. It doesn’t have the same track record of use like a flu shot.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Identity politics and public health don’t mix well. Nobody was up in arms when basically every HC facility in America required their employees either get an annual flu shot or required masking if they opted out of the shot. Its been that way as long as I’ve been in healthcare, and we all knew it was for the benefit of our patients. So can we just stop acting like babies about it?
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But the flu shot was only “required” because of money. Pharm used it to offload flu vaccines under taxpayer money and Obamacare put in a $2 million penalty for hospitals who didn’t have 80-90% vaccination rates. It has nothing to do with actual flu issues. Lol
 
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TheDeeble said:
I can see why nobody cared about flu shots. They’ve been around for decades. Longer than most of us have been alive probably. It’s common.

Covid vaccine was developed and released using never before approved for human use technology less than a year after Covid appeared. It doesn’t have the same track record of use like a flu shot.
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So get J&J. J&J is viral vector technology. Been around for years. People just wanna find any reason to not get it.
 
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