Vaccine or not?

[hog88]

I hope they all tell you to go **** yourself.

I’m sure you do.

Either way they‘d be unemployed.

 

[luthervol]

Why or how would a variant/mutation arise from a host that allows it to take root? If it can latch on, replicate etc. there’s no need for a genetic mutation.

What?
Even before the vaccine people had different reactions to exposure.

 

[LouderVol]

No “science” wouldn’t require that.

Lower rate of infection regardless of symptoms is a benefit that supports recommendation of vaccination to previously infected individuals. Particularly when the agency or individual doing the recommending is concerned with an entire population and not themselves.

Also, Table 2 of the study you posted contains the raw data that they used to calculate the odds ratio.

I posted earlier, but this reasoning makes no sense.

There are three tiers of being protected. 1 being the highest, 3 the lowest.

1. Double immunity, vax and natural.
2. Natural.
3. Vax

It makes no sense to require 2 to get vaxxed "for protection" if 3, which has less protection, is not mentioned.

You are continuing the compliance bs. You only care to make sure people are vaxxed, not that they are actually safe.

It's the same thing with Joe's mandate. Proof of vax or proof of negative. If it was about keeping people safe the various tests for natural immunity would be accepted. And considering testing for Covid is required it's not a stretch to include tests for immunity as well. As it is they are saying they care about compliance with the vax over safety. If it was about safety, everyone, including the vaxxed, would be required to get tested. Because it's a proven fact the vaxxed can still get sick, and pass it on. So safety would require their testing as well.

If you want to argue degrees of safety the unvaxxed have a percent chance of being sick, at any given moment, that is below the decimal. So the vax taking away half the risk, three quarters the risk, is a negligible gain to be requiring anything in regards to the vax itself.

41,300,000 total cases divided by 18 months.
2,294,000 cases a month, out of 330,000,000 is a .69% chance anyone has it.

So a .15% chance is worth mandating? A half percent change?

 

[whodeycin85]

I don't have a vax requirement right now, but I won't rule it out. I'm more of a pragmatist than an ideologue. I'm going to do whatever is in the best interest of keeping myself, my family, and my employees safe. Most important thing after that is making sure we operate at a profit so I can pay myself and my employees. If I think that means we need a vax requirement to make sure we don't shut down (due to lack of employees or due to customer requirements) we'll require vax.

If you willing to have a vax requirement to keep you employees safe, are you going to put in something to make sure they dont go over 25 while driving for thier safety ( same chance of death for covid) or maybe a no red meat requirement, or nonalchol off the job, or smoking or anything slightly unhealthy...for their safety of course..maybe even make them move to safer neighborhood because chances of a drive-by are higher where they live?? Where does it end??? You enjoyed while cheating your business and now you seem ok with controlling others life because why??

 

[evillawyer]

Being an antivax conservative radio host has to be the most dangerous job in America. Another one dies of COVID.
Colorado pastor who mocked AIDS deaths and spread vaccine conspiracy theories dies from COVID-19

 

[evillawyer]

Freedumb baby!

 

[hog88]

If you willing to have a vax requirement to keep you employees safe, are you going to put in something to make sure they dont go over 25 while driving for thier safety ( same chance of death for covid) or maybe a no red meat requirement, or nonalchol off the job, or smoking or anything slightly unhealthy...for their safety of course..maybe even make them move to safer neighborhood because chances of a drive-by are higher where they live?? Where does it end??? You enjoyed while cheating your business and now you seem ok with controlling others life because why??

I truly do wonder how many of you actually have jobs.

 

[clarksvol00]

If you willing to have a vax requirement to keep you employees safe, are you going to put in something to make sure they dont go over 25 while driving for thier safety ( same chance of death for covid) or maybe a no red meat requirement, or nonalchol off the job, or smoking or anything slightly unhealthy...for their safety of course..maybe even make them move to safer neighborhood because chances of a drive-by are higher where they live?? Where does it end??? You enjoyed while cheating your business and now you seem ok with controlling others life because why??

I'm not saying I have a requirement, but I will if I feel it necessary. I don't care what people do on their own time, but I don't have a problem with minimizing the risk of somebody getting me or others in the building sick or shutting down a business for a week or two.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say with the bold part.

 

[RockyTop85]

I posted earlier, but this reasoning makes no sense.

There are three tiers of being protected. 1 being the highest, 3 the lowest.

1. Double immunity, vax and natural.
2. Natural.
3. Vax

It makes no sense to require 2 to get vaxxed "for protection" if 3, which has less protection, is not mentioned.

You are continuing the compliance bs. You only care to make sure people are vaxxed, not that they are actually safe.

It's the same thing with Joe's mandate. Proof of vax or proof of negative. If it was about keeping people safe the various tests for natural immunity would be accepted. And considering testing for Covid is required it's not a stretch to include tests for immunity as well. As it is they are saying they care about compliance with the vax over safety. If it was about safety, everyone, including the vaxxed, would be required to get tested. Because it's a proven fact the vaxxed can still get sick, and pass it on. So safety would require their testing as well.

If you want to argue degrees of safety the unvaxxed have a percent chance of being sick, at any given moment, that is below the decimal. So the vax taking away half the risk, three quarters the risk, is a negligible gain to be requiring anything in regards to the vax itself.

41,300,000 total cases divided by 18 months.
2,294,000 cases a month, out of 330,000,000 is a .69% chance anyone has it.

So a .15% chance is worth mandating? A half percent change?

We were not talking about requiring anything.

 

[whodeycin85]

I truly do wonder how many of you actually have jobs.

My job has doesn't want control over my life, only thing they worry about is making money..which is the point of a business..if i choose to do something that hurts my abiliyy to work...it on me...and my company moves on..i believe a business can choose who they want to work for them but by setting those requirements they should also be liable for any adverese results the the employee because of said requiments..but these companies are being threaten by big government...

 

[whodeycin85]

I'm not saying I have a requirement, but I will if I feel it necessary. I don't care what people do on their own time, but I don't have a problem with minimizing the risk of somebody getting me or others in the building sick or shutting down a business for a week or two.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say with the bold part.

Is was supposed to be creating...autocorrect...

Let me ask this. I know you haven't required it..bit if you do...are you willing to be held liable to adverse effects of the vax upto and including death benefits or will you stay behind OSHA and say your not liable for something you required??

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Honestly, I never expected you would have a reason.

What's the reason for firing unvaccinated employees?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Everyone is free to change jobs.

Not really.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I posted earlier, but this reasoning makes no sense.

There are three tiers of being protected. 1 being the highest, 3 the lowest.

1. Double immunity, vax and natural.
2. Natural.
3. Vax

It makes no sense to require 2 to get vaxxed "for protection" if 3, which has less protection, is not mentioned.

You are continuing the compliance bs. You only care to make sure people are vaxxed, not that they are actually safe.

It's the same thing with Joe's mandate. Proof of vax or proof of negative. If it was about keeping people safe the various tests for natural immunity would be accepted. And considering testing for Covid is required it's not a stretch to include tests for immunity as well. As it is they are saying they care about compliance with the vax over safety. If it was about safety, everyone, including the vaxxed, would be required to get tested. Because it's a proven fact the vaxxed can still get sick, and pass it on. So safety would require their testing as well.

If you want to argue degrees of safety the unvaxxed have a percent chance of being sick, at any given moment, that is below the decimal. So the vax taking away half the risk, three quarters the risk, is a negligible gain to be requiring anything in regards to the vax itself.

41,300,000 total cases divided by 18 months.
2,294,000 cases a month, out of 330,000,000 is a .69% chance anyone has it.

So a .15% chance is worth mandating? A half percent change?

Yes, it is if your want total control of the proletariat. If you want a free society, not so much.

 

[tnmarktx]

 

[evillawyer]

The risk of getting this is higher with covid than the covid vaccine. But thanks for playing.

 

[tnmarktx]

The risk of getting this is higher with covid than the covid vaccine. But thanks for playing.

Yet, he got it after taking the vaccine.

 

[evillawyer]

Yet, he got it after taking the vaccine.

I'm not disputing that. I'm simply saying the occurrence of this is more frequent with COVID than the covid vaccine.

 

[InVOLuntary]

EL when an unvaccinated conservative dies of covid

 

[evillawyer]

EL when an unvaccinated conservative dies of covid

Where did you get my HS cheerleading photo from?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Where did you get my HS cheerleading photo from?

High-school? Wouldn't that be black & white?

 

[hog88]

Is was supposed to be creating...autocorrect...

Let me ask this. I know you haven't required it..bit if you do...are you willing to be held liable to adverse effects of the vax upto and including death benefits or will you stay behind OSHA and say your not liable for something you required??

Didn't ask me but no, actually hell no.

If our clients start requiring all vendors/contractors to be vaccinated any of my techs that won't get the vaccine simply won't have any hours. I'm not going to hurt the rest of my employees over a few that refuse.

 

[hog88]

Not really.

Sure they are. There are plenty of open jobs around the country.

 

[overseasorange2]

This is the type of liberal hysteria that causes many conservatives to roll their eyes and not take any Democrats seriously. Covid-19 infection versus a Cobra bite - yeah. The two are completely comparable.

News Flash. I'm a republican and always have been. Same for my parents and siblings. Good try though!

 

[clarksvol00]

Is was supposed to be creating...autocorrect...

Let me ask this. I know you haven't required it..bit if you do...are you willing to be held liable to adverse effects of the vax upto and including death benefits or will you stay behind OSHA and say your not liable for something you required??

Honestly, I'm not worried about it. Everybody here got vaccinated months ago of their own accord and the only side effects were some sore arms, a few fevers, and my prehensile tail.