Vaccine or not?

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whodeycin85 said:
It is...did you not understand how both parties are responsible??? Its negligence..requiring PPE, whule PPE has adverse effects or failures....
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Requiring PPE alone would not make the employer liable for injuries resulting from failure of the PPE. Not saying it’s intentional, but you’re leaving out some relevant facts.
 
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hog88 said:
Dude, yes. If I supply knowingly defective PPE to employees I'm liable. If I check all the boxes, cross all my Ts and dot all my Is in accordance with the regulations I'm not liable.
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If you mandate a vaccine and an employee dies from it, should you be liable for wrongful death?
 
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hog88 said:
Dude, yes. If I supply knowingly defective PPE to employees I'm liable. If I check all the boxes, cross all my Ts and dot all my Is in accordance with the regulations I'm not liable.
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I agree, so then it becomes whether you as a company believe the vax is defective and can hurt your employees or it does mot matter because OSHA says your not liable...
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Requiring PPE alone would not make the employer liable for injuries resulting from failure of the PPE. Not saying it’s intentional, but you’re leaving out some relevant facts.
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If the failure of said PPE is a known, proven issue with the PPE then yes they are.....such as a vaccine that can cause death...
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I agree, so then it becomes whether you as a company believe the vax is defective and can hurt your employees or it does mot matter because OSHA says your not liable...
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I wouldn't be liable in either case since nobody is forcing the employee to get vaccinated. They have a choice.

Would your employer be liable if you wrecked and got hurt/killed on your way to the office? They require you to show up don't they?
 
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hog88 said:
I wouldn't be liable in either case since nobody is forcing the employee to get vaccinated. They have a choice.

Would your employer be liable if you wrecked and got hurt/killed on your way to the office? They require you to show up don't they?
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They wouldn't be...unless it was a company car they were required to drive that was defective
 
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hog88 said:
We do very little direct work for the Feds but do some work for different states on projects that have fed funding so we'll cross that bridge when it comes up. I think I would just walk away from those projects because it's not a big enough segment for us to justify potentially losing employees.

I've been hearing rumors from our biggest client that they are considering requiring all vendors/contractors that come on their properties to be vaccinated, if they do I can't afford to walk away from them.
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Gotcha. Right now my office's stance is if its required, and someone isnt vaxxed, they get pulled from that project. Right now we are busy enough where losing a project or two isnt going to effect my billable rates, so it's no issue for my employment, just what projects I do.

That's seems like a fair, a reasonable response. But if that requirement is impacting people who dont even bill that client or project, it seems ridiculous to require vaccination.
 
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hog88 said:
No.
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Lol, good luck with that. Let me ask you in a different way. If you instruct one of your employees to do something and it gets them killed. After an investigation is completed it is determined that the directive you gave them resulted in their death. Like every other dumba$$ employer a non typical situation occurs and you decide to wing it. The safety guidelines and training you implement to CYA does not cover this situation. You think you can't be held liable?
 
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LouderVol said:
Gotcha. Right now my office's stance is if its required, and someone isnt vaxxed, they get pulled from that project. Right now we are busy enough where losing a project or two isnt going to effect my billable rates, so it's no issue for my employment, just what projects I do.

That's seems like a fair, a reasonable response. But if that requirement is impacting people who dont even bill that client or project, it seems ridiculous to require vaccination.
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I agree with that stance but our techs on the service side works between 1 and 5 clients a day. I can't efficiently route a guy around clients he's not allowed to work on.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Lol, good luck with that. Let me ask you in a different way. If you instruct one of your employees to do something and it gets them killed. After an investigation is completed it is determined that the directive you gave them resulted in their death. Like every other dumba$$ employer a non typical situation occurs and you decide to wing it. The safety guidelines and training you implement to CYA does not cover this situation. You think you can't be held liable?
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I wouldn't so it's an irrelevant question. Employers that just "wing it" are always subjecting themselves to potential liability.
 
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hog88 said:
You're absolutely correct.
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So in theory the vaccines that your company would require in order to avoid a fine from the government, or to not lose 20% of your buisness...is known to kill people who take it..so essentially you would knowly provided defective PPE to avoid losing money.
My issue is because you as a company are being forced to provides it (which i get 100%) or be fined or worse close because others you work with are forced, no one is responsible for Joe Cotizen supporting a family dies because he took a vax that he was forced to take because he has a family..
 
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hog88 said:
I wouldn't so it's an irrelevant question. Employers that just "wing it" are always subjecting themselves to potential liability.
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Wow! Color me surprised, and employer that thinks he's perfect and all knowing. If this situation happens and you have an employee die, you'd better hope you have them sign a release of liability. Daddy Biden won't be in office forever to save you for doing his bidding.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So in theory the vaccines that your company would require in order to avoid a fine from the government, or to not lose 20% of your buisness...is known to kill people who take it..so essentially you would knowly provided defective PPE to avoid losing money.
My issue is because you as a company are being forced to provides it (which i get 100%) or be fined or worse close because others you work with are forced, no one is responsible for Joe Cotizen supporting a family dies because he took a vax that he was forced to take because he has a family..
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Take it up with the government.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Wow! Color me surprised, and employer that thinks he's perfect and all knowing. If this situation happens and you have an employee die, you'd better hope you have them sign a release of liability. Daddy Biden won't be in office forever to save you for doing his bidding.
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You are precious. I bet you'll go far in life.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
That doesn't answer the question....some jobs require PPE, hard hats, heat gloves, protective Eyewear...if there are adverese effects from those devices failing the employer is 100% liable as if thr manufacturers....again those are requirements of employment..so if vax is a requirement why wouldn't a company be liable for the adverse effects??
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They should be. OSHA has many rules but more GUIDELINES that let companies decide what is best regarding safety for their company. While a company should be able to mandate a vaccine on their own the federal government should not have any say in the matter.
 
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C-south said:
They should be. OSHA has many rules but more GUIDELINES that let companies decide what is best regarding safety for their company. While a company should be able to mandate a vaccine on their own the federal government should not have any say in the matter.
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A private company has the right to enforce anything they as long as they accept the negative effects of what they enforce...OSHA initially said companies were liable then back tracked after government and CDC pressure..
 
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evillawyer said:
So many freedom haters in America
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I don’t see freedom haters I see a lot of fear and allowing a government to do whatever it chooses because of that fear . This is just another bad example of sheeple willing to bend the knee in the hopes the government will protect them .
 
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