Vaccine or not?

[Orangeslice13]

Gotcha. Because a coronavirus is a completely new kind of virus. And.... I mean, why test it in a relative lull time when you can wait for a pandemic to roll out something new?

I have no illusion that this was created in 8 months. None at all. I do know that it was never before successful in animal trials, yet all of a sudden it was 'approved' to be mass produced for humans. And some are worried about horse paste. At least that works in horses. This **** never worked in animals.

You can’t test it against everything “just in case”.
When the other Covids reached heard immunity then there was no longer a need. It very well could have never been a problem again. In the paperwork pulling the vaccine in 17 they say the future need was “very unlikely”. So even the scientists didn’t see the likelihood of another Covid outbreak. Which is another reason I believe Covid 19 is a man made virus. I still currently believe the accidental release theory.

 

[LouderVol]

I think it’s important to clarify.
There are several people I know making that exact moronic argument. Comparison of vaccine vs natural immunity is irrelevant to those who have had neither.
I agree with everything except the variant. We’re getting variants and we’re going to get variants no matter what.

There may be several arguments you are ascribing that assumption to, but I havent seen anyone here pushing "covid parties" or mandating infections.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Wasn’t as contagious? They estimate there were up to 1.4B infections from the 2009 Swine Flu; 20-25% of the world.

And we’re well past that already with Covid 19.
Edit: not quite. Just over 1 billion infectious now in lesser than 2 years as opposed to 7 years of H1N1.
Covid 19 is listed as 28 times more contagious

 

[Orangeslice13]

There may be several arguments you are ascribing that assumption to, but I havent seen anyone here pushing "covid parties" or mandating infections.

Stop comparing apples to oranges.
If you want to say people who have had Covid don’t need the vaccine then I likely agree. Although there are still reinfection issues so I’d want to see studies on those who had Covid and no vaccine vs those who had Covid and were vaccinated.

Natural immunity vs the vaccine in those who have never had Covid is beyond irrelevant

 

[LouderVol]

Do we use the flu vaccine vaccine from 2002 ?

Edit: and speaking of “better than this” I know you in real life. You’re not so stupid that you believe they pulled this vaccine from their ass in less than a year.

obtuse…..lol

Do we use the flu vaccine vaccine from 2002 ?

Edit: and speaking of “better than this” I know you in real life. You’re not so stupid that you believe they pulled this vaccine from their ass in less than a year.

obtuse…..lol

From their butt, no. But that's a far cry from saying it's been in development since 2002.

I have said before, will say it again. I believe the vaccines are safe, relatively effective, and I am glad people can get them.

I am not anti vaccine.

I AM anti any type of mandate, othering, self justification, and bad arguments, that have become rife because of Covid. And yes that exists on both sides.

 

[Orangeslice13]

From their butt, no. But that's a far cry from saying it's been in development since 2002.

I have said before, will say it again. I believe the vaccines are safe, relatively effective, and I am glad people can get them.

I am not anti vaccine.

I AM anti any type of mandate, othering, self justification, and bad arguments, that have become rife because of Covid. And yes that exists on both sides.

So you agree with me and are just arguing because that’s what you do.
Edit: which I’m absolutely ok with BTW.
The red women says you should come to dinner next time you’re in town

 

[LouderVol]

Covid 19 is different in that it is extremely contagious. That’s why so many die even though the % is low. H1n1 didn’t mutate as it didn’t have the same opportunity/wasn’t as contagious. Covid 19 is here to stay based on how contagious it is. It will mutate over and over regularly regardless of what we do. At some point people will take their yearly flu and Covid shots. It might even become the same shot.

H1n1 was far more contagious. 60 million in 6 months. We are at 80 million in 18 months.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

 

[Orangeslice13]

H1n1 was far more contagious. 60 million in 6 months. We are at 80 million in 18 months.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

H1n1 was far more contagious. 60 million in 6 months. We are at 80 million in 18 months.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

H1N1 Influenza vs. COVID-19 Comparison: Similarities & Differences

 

[LouderVol]

So you agree with me and are just arguing because that’s what you do.
Edit: which I’m absolutely ok with BTW.
The red women says you should come to dinner next time you’re in town

Stop making bad arguments, and I wont argue. I dont care if you are correct in saying that the sky appears to be blue, if you also say it's because blue is y_hw_h's favorite color.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Interesting tidbit from the article

Over the course of the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic, a total of fiveTrusted Source vaccines were approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). These vaccines were developed using the same technology that had previously been used for

So 5 vaccines approved by the FDA for H1N1……
again….like the flu vaccine……

never mind, at this point it is what it is and people are just going to believe what they want to believe

 

[Orangeslice13]

Stop making bad arguments, and I wont argue. I dont care if you are correct in saying that the sky appears to be blue, if you also say it's because blue is y_hw_h's favorite color.

Pot/kettle
Edit: and it’s YHWH you freaking pagan

 

[lostsheep]

Siap. Closer than anyone else here. And maybe the only one of us who has some experience in the area.

Being a generalist does not make one a specialist.

 

[Carp]

H1n1 was far more contagious. 60 million in 6 months. We are at 80 million in 18 months.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

We also didn't shutdown the country, have required quarantines, and where masks everywhere in 2009. So you're comparing apples to oranges with this particular argument.

 

[Sea Ray]

Nicki makes an excellent point about how our freedom to speak out about anything that goes against the mainstream agenda has been taken away. Anybody who speaks out against vaccines is being attacked and we are becoming more and more like China everyday.

Pop Star Nicki Minaj Speaks Truth To Power And 157 Million Twitter Followers On Vaccine Big Lie - CD Media

Nicki's now blown up BS story about swollen testicles ends her credibility on anything

 

[Hunerwadel]

I dont think less then 10% infection rate world wide and less then 1% death rate is devastating.... would losing 1% of your client base in a a buisness be devastating... now personal losses yes devastating, but in the big picture of society..1% is not

We've lost almost the same number people in under two years to covid than we lost in WWII. That was 670,000 or only .39% of the total US population. Pretty insignificant when you look at the you look at the big picture huh?

Edit: 470,000 killed. 670,000 was the number wounded. I misread the stats.

 

[whodeycin85]

We've lost almost the same number people in under two years to covid than we lost in WWII. That was 670,000 or only .39% of the total US population. Pretty insignificant when you look at the you look at the big picture huh?

Not really...its not a significant % of the population....like i said those personally effected, yes 100% percent...has far as an impact on 327 million other...its miniscule..same rate as killed by accidents....which is deemed not enough to stop driving for even lower speed limits...

 

[utvolpj]

Stop comparing apples to oranges.
If you want to say people who have had Covid don’t need the vaccine then I likely agree. Although there are still reinfection issues so I’d want to see studies on those who had Covid and no vaccine vs those who had Covid and were vaccinated.

Natural immunity vs the vaccine in those who have never had Covid is beyond irrelevant

The video I posted earlier discussed the need to vaccinate those who had recovered. That biologist outlined why it was a bad idea

 

[SlingBlayde]

It greatly decreases your risk of contracting COVID.
It greatly reduces your risk of developing severe complications if you do happen to contract COVID.
It greatly reduces your risk of spreading COVID.

God Almighty, how much simpler could it be???????????

Not true. Just look at Israel, the most vaxxed country in the world.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[SlingBlayde]

 

[LouderVol]

H1N1 Influenza vs. COVID-19 Comparison: Similarities & Differences

That link doesnt provide any real arguments. Or even present data.

 

[LouderVol]

Being a generalist does not make one a specialist.

Did I miss where he claimed to be one?

He speaks the language better than we do, that's enough to lend his opinion some weight.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The video I posted earlier discussed the need to vaccinate those who had recovered. That biologist outlined why it was a bad idea

I have not had a chance to watch it but plan to.
At this point with what I’ve seen, which is very little, vaccinating those who have had it isn’t something I’d recommend

 

[Orangeslice13]

That link doesnt provide any real arguments. Or even present data.

Yup just conclusion summary as accepted by the medical community. Feel free to dig deeper as I’m done dealing with those in denial.

 

[LouderVol]

We also didn't shutdown the country, have required quarantines, and where masks everywhere in 2009. So you're comparing apples to oranges with this particular argument.

we were talking about contagiousness. Real world numbers imo trump any white paper "should be".

We have also added almost a billion people, 12%, and population density has gone up 13% .

World Population by Year - Worldometer

Apples to oranges goes both ways.