Vaccine or not?

[n_huffhines]

This person is data illiterate

 

[VolinWayne]

The Meaning of the FDA Resignations ⋆ Brownstone Institute

 

[FLVOL_79]

Any man does this to my wife, and we are going to have some big problems.

Typical left wing loon who would only have the balls to do that when its a chick.

 

[whodeycin85]

It is amazing you morons have enough brain power to generate a heartbeat. This has been a devastating disease to both persons and society.

I dont think less then 10% infection rate world wide and less then 1% death rate is devastating.... would losing 1% of your client base in a a buisness be devastating... now personal losses yes devastating, but in the big picture of society..1% is not

 

[Orangeslice13]

Really, you think an mRNA vaccine will prevent variants? How come we have a different flu variant every season? You do realize the flu shot is mRNA?

Yup. Nothing is going to prevent variants.

 

[Orangeslice13]

There were, actually, unprecedented restraints. Yet, mutated strains have arisen in other countries and have become prevalent here, spreading widely amongst both vaccinated and unvaccinated Americans.

Any guess as to who the segment of the population is that is not getting sick or spreading the virus?

So everyone should run out and catch Covid to prevent Covid?

 

[Orangeslice13]

I’m going to guess those that previously had it.

At a lower rate but they’re still catching it.
So….natural immunity doesn’t work.

Am I doing it right?

 

[kiddiedoc]

So everyone should run out and catch Covid to prevent Covid?

When did I say that?

From the beginning, I've said that we should have immediately locked down nursing homes/skilled care facilities, told the older or at-risk population to stay home, while arranging for food/medication/ healthcare delivery, and let the younger folks, children, manufacturing, etc go about daily business.

Had we done so, the economy wouldn't be where it is, children wouldn't have taken the devastating hit, and there would be no Delta variant in the US.

 

[kiddiedoc]

At a lower rate but they’re still catching it.
So….natural immunity doesn’t work.

Am I doing it right?

No, you are not. That's a terribly dishonest statement.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Yup. Nothing is going to prevent variants.

Not true. Natural immunity induces protection against several different protein targets (perhaps most importantly, the nucleocapsid protein). To escape these antibodies, the virus has to have several mutations simultaneously. The chances of this occurring are much, much lower.

 

[utvolpj]

There is a really good discussion by an evolutionary bioligist in this podcast about vaccines causing variants. Also info on ivermectin, etc if you're interested



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[Orangeslice13]

When did I say that?

From the beginning, I've said that we should have immediately locked down nursing homes/skilled care facilities, told the older or at-risk population to stay home, while arranging for food/medication/ healthcare delivery, and let the younger folks, children, manufacturing, etc go about daily business.

Had we done so, the economy wouldn't be where it is, children wouldn't have taken the devastating hit, and there would be no Delta variant in the US.

I think it’s important to clarify.
There are several people I know making that exact moronic argument. Comparison of vaccine vs natural immunity is irrelevant to those who have had neither.
I agree with everything except the variant. We’re getting variants and we’re going to get variants no matter what.

 

[Orangeslice13]

No, you are not. That's a terribly dishonest statement.

Thanks for proving my point. It’s incredibly dishonest when the anti vaccine people make that exact argument

 

[Orangeslice13]

Not true. Natural immunity induces protection against several different protein targets (perhaps most importantly, the nucleocapsid protein). To escape these antibodies, the virus has to have several mutations simultaneously. The chances of this occurring are much, much lower.

So when do we expect natural immunity to kick in vs the flu.

 

[kiddiedoc]

So when do we expect natural immunity to kick in vs the flu.

Flu is a totally different beast. The different strains are not new "variants"/mutations (except in rare instances like the appearance of H1N1 in 09). They are variable assortments of known hemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't know how many "some" were. There was no mandate needed for the Salk vaccine. People were eager to take it and polio quickly became almost unheard of.

Yeah. It's amazing that something with a 5% fatality rate, 25% paralysis, and more than double that for children, has a different reaction than something with a .8 fatality rate, average age of death within a year of life expectancy, no proven long term side effects, and even more/less negligible numbers for children.

Weird. It's almost like people are looking at the numbers and doing their own analysis of the 21st centuries black death.

 

[LouderVol]

Seriously
Nobody take a flu shot ever again. Louder says they’re unsafe because it’s a new vaccine never before used every year.
Go research how the Covid vaccine (not just 19) came into existence in 2002.

So we use the 2002 vaccine?

And I have not said they arent safe, stop throwing red herrings out because you have no arguement.

I am saying you cant directly link the current vaccines to when they first rolled off the shelf/lab table. Hopefully improvements have been made, which makes them different from 2002/1945.

Stop being obtuse, you are better than this.

 

[Orangeslice13]

So we use the 2002 vaccine?

And I have not said they arent safe, stop throwing red herrings out because you have no arguement.

I am saying you cant directly link the current vaccines to when they first rolled off the shelf/lab table. Hopefully improvements have been made, which makes them different from 2002/1945.

Stop being obtuse, you are better than this.

Do we use the flu vaccine vaccine from 2002 ?

Edit: and speaking of “better than this” I know you in real life. You’re not so stupid that you believe they pulled this vaccine from their ass in less than a year.

obtuse…..lol

 

[Orangeslice13]

Flu is a totally different beast. The different strains are not new "variants"/mutations (except in rare instances like the appearance of H1N1 in 09). They are variable assortments of known hemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins.

Covid 19 is different in that it is extremely contagious. That’s why so many die even though the % is low. H1n1 didn’t mutate as it didn’t have the same opportunity/wasn’t as contagious. Covid 19 is here to stay based on how contagious it is. It will mutate over and over regularly regardless of what we do. At some point people will take their yearly flu and Covid shots. It might even become the same shot.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Public records are you friend.
In 2017 the application was withdrawn as there was no active Covid infections and therefore no need for a vaccine. They held on to everything in case another Covid outbreak ever occurred.
guess what happened in 19?
If you think they could produce a vaccine in 8 to 12 months then you’re a moron. Hell, the stability study on the finished vaccine takes 12 weeks.

Edit: next time I take the red women to the infectious disease Dr you can tag along. I will warm you if you ask stupid questions he will treat you like you’re stupid

Gotcha. Because a coronavirus is a completely new kind of virus. And.... I mean, why test it in a relative lull time when you can wait for a pandemic to roll out something new?

I have no illusion that this was created in 8 months. None at all. I do know that it was never before successful in animal trials, yet all of a sudden it was 'approved' to be mass produced for humans. And some are worried about horse paste. At least that works in horses. This **** never worked in animals.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Covid 19 is different in that it is extremely contagious. That’s why so many die even though the % is low. H1n1 didn’t mutate as it didn’t have the same opportunity/wasn’t as contagious. Covid 19 is here to stay based on how contagious it is. It will mutate over and over regularly regardless of what we do. At some point people will take their yearly flu and Covid shots. It might even become the same shot.

Wasn’t as contagious? They estimate there were up to 1.4B infections from the 2009 Swine Flu; 20-25% of the world.

 

[Jkm0920]

When did I say that?

From the beginning, I've said that we should have immediately locked down nursing homes/skilled care facilities, told the older or at-risk population to stay home, while arranging for food/medication/ healthcare delivery, and let the younger folks, children, manufacturing, etc go about daily business.

Had we done so, the economy wouldn't be where it is, children wouldn't have taken the devastating hit, and there would be no Delta variant in the US.

So basically what they did in Sweden? Have there been any reports how things are going there?

 

[LouderVol]

Don't be knocking kiddiedoc. The man's damn near a virologist and an epidemiologist!!

Siap. Closer than anyone else here. And maybe the only one of us who has some experience in the area.

 

[508mikey]

Here we go Is a ‘twindemic’ on the horizon? Experts warn of brutal flu season as COVID-19 still spreads. Here are 8 things to know about getting your flu shot

 

[LouderVol]

Because delta? I am skeptical about all of this, but this is pure bs to try and link the vaccine to spikes in cases.