Vaccine or not?

[Zues1]

Where?

No doubt it will be approved. It's just taking longer for whatever reason.

Well that's a good question. The data shows Moderna to be slightly more effective yet Pfizer has FDA approval. There seems to be little discussion about Moderna getting FDA approval.

 

[davethevol]

Well that's a good question. The data shows Moderna to be slightly more effective yet Pfizer has FDA approval. There seems to be little discussion about Moderna getting FDA approval.

Pfizer greased more palms.

 

[whodeycin85]

15 years and being recalled..by Pfizer hmmmm..

Chantix recall: Pfizer recalls smoking cessation drug for cancer risk

 

[mrMet]

15 years and being recalled..by Pfizer hmmmm..

Chantix recall: Pfizer recalls smoking cessation drug for cancer risk

Pretty fascinating people will believe anything Pfizer says we should take

 

[davethevol]

15 years and being recalled..by Pfizer hmmmm..

Chantix recall: Pfizer recalls smoking cessation drug for cancer risk

But people on here have researched the Covid vaccine and it’s clearly safe!!!!!!

 

[hog88]

Just stop. The swine flu never filled up hospitals to the point where elective surgeries stopped.

Didn’t need to, approved candidates were running that cycle.

 

[whodeycin85]

Didn't swine flu infect 60 million plus before counting was shut down by Obama

 

[Velo Vol]

Well that's a good question. The data shows Moderna to be slightly more effective yet Pfizer has FDA approval. There seems to be little discussion about Moderna getting FDA approval.

It applied a little later. I'm not reading much into it, yet.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

It applied a little later. I'm not reading much into it, yet.

Yep

 

[Orangeslice13]

But people on here have researched the Covid vaccine and it’s clearly safe!!!!!!

Drugs get pulled all the time. Some have been on the market 50 years. That’s actually why the “long term safety “ argument is ******** IMO. Take ivermectin for example. People claim it’s safe but it’s never been tested for prolonged use and the manufacture says their studies show it doesn’t work vs Covid. Yet the scared of vaccine groups are running around singing its praises.
********

 

[volfanhill]

Didn’t need to, approved candidates were running that cycle.

It's not an election year right now and this is happening .

 

[NorthDallas40]

If you can’t handle the heat, then I’d advise you hit the ignore button and move on.

I’m guessing that’s why you haven’t responded to my many posts to you in this thread lately

I guess you can’t handle the heat slugger!

 

[kiddiedoc]

My SIL is CNO at the largest hospital in Athens, Ga. They have stopped elective surgeries for several weeks now . Any surgery requires approval. The impact between the two on our Emergency Care hospitals is not comparable .

Yeah that's pretty universal right now. Several friends who do "non-urgent" surgical procedures have not been operating for a couple of weeks.

I was just reminding everyone that bad flu seasons swell ERs to the max and overflow bed availability, too.

 

[hog88]

It's not an election year right now and this is happening .

They ain’t giving up their new control mechanism

 

[whodeycin85]

Judge Blocks Vaccine Mandate For Health Workers In New York | The Daily Wire

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Drugs get pulled all the time. Some have been on the market 50 years. That’s actually why the “long term safety “ argument is ******** IMO. Take ivermectin for example. People claim it’s safe but it’s never been tested for prolonged use and the manufacture says their studies show it doesn’t work vs Covid. Yet the scared of vaccine groups are running around singing its praises.
********

So these doctors and countries are lying about the drugs success?

 

[Orangeslice13]

So these doctors and countries are lying about the drugs success?

Take it up with the manufacturer. They ran a study and they released the results. If your Dr believes in it and writes it then that’s fine. But the numbers are what they are. And it hasn’t been tested for prolonged exposure and long term side effects so I’m sure you won’t be taking it because that’s why you reject the vaccine

 

[Orangeslice13]

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

• No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
• No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
• A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

 

[Orangeslice13]

So these doctors and countries are lying about the drugs success?

I’m sure these “Dr and countries” have clinical studies that prove their statements and there’s nothing else in play that might be giving them their results…..like antibody therapy

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Take it up with the manufacturer. They ran a study and they released the results. If your Dr believes in it and writes it then that’s fine. But the numbers are what they are. And it hasn’t been tested for prolonged exposure and long term side effects so I’m sure you won’t be taking it because that’s why you reject the vaccine

I'm going to ask this , but I already know the answer...

So you don't think that the manufacturer could be lying?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

• No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
• No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
• A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

The first two are totally false. There has been use and study of Ivermectin by several countries and several doctors here in the US. The only concern I've heard about thus far is by a doctor that said that he has concerns about jeopardizing useful gut bacteria. His alternative to using Ivermectin is loading up on niacin/B vitamins.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’m sure these “Dr and countries” have clinical studies that prove their statements and there’s nothing else in play that might be giving them their results…..like antibody therapy

The only incident I've heard thus far is Joe Rogan throwing the kitchen sink at it. But in general, I think the India treatments were nearly exclusively Ivermectin.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I'm going to ask this , but I already know the answer...

So you don't think that the manufacturer could be lying?

Ya. They don’t want to make money.
Their study is peer reviewed.

I wish it worked too. But it doesn’t unless you have a study that says otherwise. You have a study?
about 6 weeks ago we heard about this huge study on ivermectin and it’s use on Covid. What happened to that?

let me put it to you this way…when your wife has liver cancer you get really good at looking at treatments. You hear about all kinds of sure fire things the “the gobermnt “ is trying to suppress. They are almost always BS.

I had great hope for Plaquenil but the studies just were not there. Right now ivermectin is in that same category.

Show me studies not “these people say…”

 

[Orangeslice13]

The first two are totally false. There has been use and study of Ivermectin by several countries and several doctors here in the US. The only concern I've heard about thus far is by a doctor that said that he has concerns about jeopardizing useful gut bacteria. His alternative to using Ivermectin is loading up on niacin/B vitamins.

Post your study because I’ve searched and there’s nothing that’s passed peer reviewed.


And don’t give me the ******** about some conspiracy

 

[Orangeslice13]

The only incident I've heard thus far is Joe Rogan throwing the kitchen sink at it. But in general, I think the India treatments were nearly exclusively Ivermectin.

Joe Rogan did the antibody treatment which is without a doubt the way to go.