Vaccine or not?

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Orangeslice13 said:
Ya. They don’t want to make money.
Their study is peer reviewed.
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Yeah... they don't want to make money. That is the angle I figured you would use. It couldn't possibly be that they already have an alternative coming down the pike that will be far more expensive than Ivermectin, which is a couple of dollars.

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Merck is developing molnupiravir in partnership with Ridgeback Biotherapeutics in a phase III study for the treatment of non-hospitalized patients with confirmed COVID-19. Merck is currently developing molnupiravir as an oral treatment for outpatients with COVID-19 in a phase III study — MOVe-OUT.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah... they don't want to make money. That is the angle I figured you would use. It couldn't possibly be that they already have an alternative coming down the pike that will be far more expensive than Ivermectin, which is a couple of dollars.

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It’s not an angle.
Are you stupid enough to believe they faked the study on ivermectin and that the fake passed the peer review process?

Show me a study that says ivermectin works……including the one that just concluded. Why have they not published the results? Why have they not released a summary like they do every time they have a successful study? I’m guessing it’s because they found the same thing Merck did.

I’d love for it to work. I don’t want to catch Covid but if I do it’d be great if there were more options
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Joe Rogan did the antibody treatment which is without a doubt the way to go.
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I don't have an issue with antibody treatment or any other available treatments. I think if this is truly a health and safety issue, all alternatives should be made available. But the amount of propaganda against cheap alternatives like HCQ and Ivermectin is what is wicked and deadly. Forget about deaths... there are far too many people that made unnecessary hospital stays because these alternatives were not made available or were campaigned against.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't have an issue with antibody treatment or any other available treatments. I think if this is truly a health and safety issue, all alternatives should be made available. But the amount of propaganda against cheap alternatives like HCQ and Ivermectin is what wicked and deadly. Forget about deaths... there are far too many people that made unnecessary hospital stays because these alternatives were not made available or were campaigned against.
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Propaganda doesn’t mean **** if you have successful studies.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't have an issue with antibody treatment or any other available treatments. I think if this is truly a health and safety issue, all alternatives should be made available. But the amount of propaganda against cheap alternatives like HCQ and Ivermectin is what wicked and deadly. Forget about deaths... there are far too many people that made unnecessary hospital stays because these alternatives were not made available or were campaigned against.
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And they’re available now. Both are currently available in my pharmacy. The red women takes plaquenil for other conditions
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s not an angle.
Are you stupid enough to believe they faked the study on ivermectin and that the fake passed the peer review process?

Show me a study that says ivermectin works……including the one that just concluded. Why have they not published the results? Why have they not released a summary like they do every time they have a successful study? I’m guessing it’s because they found the same thing Merck did.

I’d love for it to work. I don’t want to catch Covid but if I do it’d be great if there were more options
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You can call it stupidity. I chose to think that I'm aware that a company can do whatever it can to make a study look as favorable (or in this case unfavorable) as they want.

Also, there are plenty of examples of Ivermectin being used for the treatment of COVID. I've posted several of them. I also have anecdotal evidence form people I know. Unfortunately, the "fact checkers", media and administration continues to to discount and refute those results.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And they’re available now. Both are currently available in my pharmacy. The red women takes plaquenil for other conditions
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I told you before about the difficulties of getting an Ivermectin prescription in Middle and West Tennessee. Now that Biden has inserted the Federal govt in controlling the supply of monoclonal antibody treatments, we're supposed to believe that situation is going to improve?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You can call it stupidity. I chose to think that I'm aware that a company can do whatever it can to make a study look as favorable (or in this case unfavorable) as they want.

Also, there are plenty of examples of Ivermectin being used for the treatment of COVID. I've posted several of them. I also have anecdotal evidence form people I know. Unfortunately, the "fact checkers", media and administration continues to to discount and refute those results.
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It is stupid to believe a faked study would pass peer review.
A lot of those guys in the review process want it to work. If there was a problem with the Merck study they’d call BS.

Anecdotal evidence doesn’t count because it’s not in a controlled environment. It very well could be something else that’s successful or ivermectin in combination with something.
That’s why we do the studies.

The media can’t refute peer review.
I promise you Drs (at least the ones we see) don’t give a rats ass what the media think.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Propaganda doesn’t mean **** if you have successful studies.
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Propaganda absolutely carries weight. We've got people that have never heard of Ivermectin 3 months ago calling it horse paste and dewormer. How did the general public learn that? From the media.

And the media are the gatekeepers of information. They can spread as much nonsense as they want and block/censor or discredit the information that don't want to get traction.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I told you before about the difficulties of getting an Ivermectin prescription in Middle and West Tennessee. Now that Biden has inserted the Federal govt in controlling the supply of monoclonal antibody treatments, we're supposed to believe that situation is going to improve?
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Straw man argument.
Biden is wrong to restrict antibody treatments. That’s irrelevant to our conversation. Ivermectin is available as of yesterday in chattanooga. And they have plenty. I asked while picking up TRWs plaquenil. Which they also have plenty.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Propaganda absolutely carries weight. We've got people that have never heard of Ivermectin 3 months ago calling it horse paste and dewormer. How did the general public learn that? From the media.

And the media are the gatekeepers of information. They can spread as much nonsense as they want and block/censor or discredit the information that don't want to get traction.
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Your Dr who is only concerned about saving your life doesn’t care about media. The media can’t restrict your Drs access to information. If he does then change Drs.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It is stupid to believe a faked study would pass peer review.
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No it isn't.

In one of the studies that I looked at about 3 weeks ago, they only treated the patients for 2 days and they didn't prescribe them the proper dosage size based on their weights. So WTF do you think is going to happen if you use lesser dosages over a 2 day time line when most people with COVID need at least 3-5 days to see any results.?

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Rasputin_Vol said:
No it isn't.

In one of the studies that I looked at about 3 weeks ago, they only treated the patients for 2 days and they didn't prescribe them the proper dosage size based on their weights. So WTf do you think is going to happen if you use lesser dosages over a 2 day time line when most people with COVID need at least 3-5 days to see any results.?

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So it didn’t pass peer review.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Straw man argument.
Biden is wrong to restrict antibody treatments. That’s irrelevant to our conversation. Ivermectin is available as of yesterday in chattanooga. And they have plenty. I asked while picking up TRWs plaquenil. Which they also have plenty.
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Being available (meaning on the shelf) is a totally different argument than if the pharmacist will fill the prescription or if the doctor will even write the prescription.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It is stupid to believe a faked study would pass peer review.
A lot of those guys in the review process want it to work. If there was a problem with the Merck study they’d call BS.

Anecdotal evidence doesn’t count because it’s not in a controlled environment. It very well could be something else that’s successful or ivermectin in combination with something.
That’s why we do the studies.

The media can’t refute peer review.
I promise you Drs (at least the ones we see) don’t give a rats ass what the media think.
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Can you detail the control group for the covid vaccines?

There's evidence that's ivermectin works in different situations. It shouldn't be discounted
 
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volfanhill said:
Just stop. The swine flu never filled up hospitals to the point where elective surgeries stopped.
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He said the swine flu wasn’t as contagious as this. I simply said how many cases there were worldwide in a short period of time. Read all before you jump in. And elective surgeries are stopping because hospitals are short staffed because nurses have quit over the work load, mandates and the opportunity to make more money as travel nurses, impacting their local hospitals.
 
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utvolpj said:
Can you detail the control group for the covid vaccines?

There's evidence that's ivermectin works in different situations. It shouldn't be discounted
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I’m a contractor not a research scientist.
I’m sure you can find details of how the system works if you look.
And it should not be considered the savior of the world either
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m a contractor not a research scientist.
I’m sure you can find details of how the system works if you look.
And it should not be considered the savior of the world either
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I think the main point is that it shouldn't be considered "horse paste" or a ridiculous alternative... not considered to be the savior.

It should be considered just one of many alternatives.
 
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