Vaccine or not?

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not been a problem here

Maybe not there, but it is clearly an issue elsewhere. Hell, there was a case in Ohio where the hospital would not treat a patient there with Ivermectin and the courts had to jump in (granted, I think it was a case where the court overstepped).

 

[Orangeslice13]

I think the main point is that it shouldn't be considered "horse paste" or a ridiculous alternative... not considered to be the savior.

It should be considered just one of many alternatives.

The fact remains that it is horse paste and anyone getting it at the co/op is a moron.
If your Dr doesn’t trust it maybe you should not either. If he does then maybe you should. If you don’t trust your Dr then you should change Drs.
I know 3 people who have had their dr write it with the antibody treatment. They didn’t have any issues getting it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The fact remains that it is horse paste and anyone getting it at the co/op is a moron.

You are entitled to your opinion. But desperate times sometimes call for desperate measures. I'll leave it at that.

If your Dr doesn’t trust it maybe you should not either. If he does then maybe you should. If you don’t trust your Dr then you should change Drs.

I think most patients are like my mom. They just trust everything their doctor tells them without question, so those people are not going to leave their doctor if he doesn't prescribe Ivermectin.

I know 3 people who have had their dr write it with the antibody treatment. They didn’t have any issues getting it.

I know one person I worked with and several more that were in his circle and community that used only Ivermectin with no antibody treatment and they recovered in 3-5 days.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I know one person I worked with and several more that were in his circle and community that used only Ivermectin with no antibody treatment and they recovered in 3-5 days.

And it’s just as likely that they recover in 3-5 days without it too. If we believe the percentages

 

[TNJOKER]

And it’s just as likely that they recover in 3-5 days without it too. If we believe the percentages

I found a study from the American Journal for Therapeutics in support of ivermectin.

Several studies have indicated the drug for use as a therapeutic has seen the drug reduce as much as 75% of deaths during the trials... Contradicting what the NIH has been stating.

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

 

[Orangeslice13]

I found a study from the American Journal for Therapeutics in su

In what?
And post it if you still have it.

 

[TNJOKER]

In what?
And post it if you still have it.

Apologies . I clicked the post reply button inadvertently.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

And it’s just as likely that they recover in 3-5 days without it too. If we believe the percentages

Well two things on that. First off, then maybe they need to do studies where the patients are given the correct dosages over a longer period of time instead of 2 days.

Also, the person I know had symptoms for 3 days prior to taking Ivermectin. their condition had gotten worse on that 3rd night. He stabilized by the next day and gradually got better over the weekend.

The same is true for several other people and none of them showed up to the hospital, that I'm aware of.

Now you have the right to dismiss that small sample size of about 2 dozen or so people. Or you can give credit where credit is due for that many people not showing enough symptoms to be hospitalized. Also, the majority were unvaccinated and a significant number were over 40 years old in typical health. So I'm sure several had comorbidities, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.

 

[TNJOKER]

Well two things on that. First off, then maybe they need to do studies where the patients are given the correct dosages over a longer period of time instead of 2 days.

Also, the person I know had symptoms for 3 days prior to taking Ivermectin. their condition had gotten worse on that 3rd night. He stabilized by the next day and gradually got better over the weekend.

The same is true for several other people and none of them showed up to the hospital, that I'm aware of.

Now you have the right to dismiss that small sample size of about 2 dozen or so people. Or you can give credit where credit is due for that many people not showing enough symptoms to be hospitalized. Also, the majority were unvaccinated and a significant number were over 40 years old in typical health. So I'm sure several had comorbidities, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines


Here is a link to a table from the study I posted earlier

 

[Orangeslice13]

Well two things on that. First off, then maybe they need to do studies where the patients are given the correct dosages over a longer period of time instead of 2 days.

Also, the person I know had symptoms for 3 days prior to taking Ivermectin. their condition had gotten worse on that 3rd night. He stabilized by the next day and gradually got better over the weekend.

The same is true for several other people and none of them showed up to the hospital, that I'm aware of.

Now you have the right to dismiss that small sample size of about 2 dozen or so people. Or you can give credit where credit is due for that many people not showing enough symptoms to be hospitalized. Also, the majority were unvaccinated and a significant number were over 40 years old in typical health. So I'm sure several had comorbidities, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.

More studies and information is always good.
Edit: the long term effects of longer treatment cycles needs review if we’re going to use ivermectin
The numbers are what they are. And it’s beyond argument that “most” who do poorly are not health nuts.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines


Here is a link to a table from the study I posted earlier

What is that supposed to be showing?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

More studies and information is always good.
Edit: the long term effects of longer treatment cycles needs review if we’re going to use ivermectin
The numbers are what they are. And it’s beyond argument that “most” who do poorly are not health nuts.

Why weren't 'more studies' of an experimental 'vaccine' good before unleashing it on the public?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Why weren't 'more studies' of an experimental 'vaccine' good before unleashing it on the public?

There are a plethora of studies on the vaccine
If you’d like more then sponsor them. I’d absolutely be in favor of continued study.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

And it’s just as likely that they recover in 3-5 days without it too. If we believe the percentages

So then what is the point of the 'vaccine'? If you believe the percentages... why should everybody get stuck with this stuff? How about those at high risk and those that are willing to be test subjects. **** Joe's mandates.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

There are a plethora of studies on the vaccine
If you’d like more then sponsor them. I’d absolutely be in favor of continued study.

I have zero interest in furthering this abomination. Let Pfizer and Moderna do it, without my contribution.

 

[TNJOKER]

What is that supposed to be showing?

At the bottom it details the doses and for how long for each study at the top.

1st study was for 5 days second study was for 2 weeks at a lower dosage every 84 hours.

There was per the chart 17 studies.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

At the bottom it details the doses and for how long for each study at the top.

OK, I saw that part, but I could tell if those were just 19 individual patients that got those dosages or if those were 19 different groups and what size groups.

 

[Orangeslice13]

So then what is the point of the 'vaccine'? If you believe the percentages... why should everybody get stuck with this stuff? How about those at high risk and those that are willing to be test subjects. **** Joe's mandates.

You should study and make your own decisions. I ain’t your moms and don’t feel like making your decisions.

Government mandated vaccine or masking is BS

 

[Orangeslice13]

I have zero interest in furthering this abomination. Let Pfizer and Moderna do it, without my contribution.

Ok
Then don’t ask stupid questions

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Who said that? I don't recall ever hearing/reading that from verified source. What was actually said, is that the vaccines prevent COVID19 symptoms. You know, that's why they talked about the 95% efficacy. Here's an article from Feb detailing this.

COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean?

And Walensky at the CDC.

 

[TNJOKER]

OK, I saw that part, but I could tell if those were just 19 individual patients that got those dosages or if those were 19 different groups and what size groups.

If I'm reading the article and the chart right. The total is the total # of patients in the trial. The event is the number of deaths in those trials.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You should study and make your own decisions. I ain’t your moms and don’t feel like making your decisions.

Government mandated vaccine or masking is BS

I have studied, and I made my decision a long time ago. I do not want that **** in my body. Period.

I get your emotion because you have had people nearby that have succumbed to this. I am not minimizing that at all. But a tornado doesn't always destroy all the trailers in a mobile home park either. There are millions of people that have had the Chinese Flu that have survived. I am one. My wife has. Her 86 year old mother has and about half my extended family. ALL have survived. I do not need to have this **** forced on me, and frankly I resent it which makes it even less likely that I will ever roll up my sleeve.

My wife and I watched 'The Pianist' last night and all I can say is thank God for the second amendment.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Ok
Then don’t ask stupid questions

Which ones are stupid? But first, can you point me to the studies of long term effects? If you can, I'll shut up about this.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I have studied, and I made my decision a long time ago. I do not want that **** in my body. Period.

I get your emotion because you have had people nearby that have succumbed to this. I am not minimizing that at all. But a tornado doesn't always destroy all the trailers in a mobile home park either. There are millions of people that have had the Chinese Flu that have survived. I am one. My wife has. Her 86 year old mother has and about half my extended family. ALL have survived. I do not need to have this **** forced on me, and frankly I resent it which makes it even less likely that I will ever roll up my sleeve.

My wife and I watched 'The Pianist' last night and all I can say is thank God for the second amendment.

A well informed personal decision is all I ask of anyone.
I’m not the guy who wants to make it for you.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Just another reason vaccine mandates for US citizens are a bunch of while you allow people to walk across an open border missing vaccines for way more dangerous diseases than a cold virus.