Vaccine or not?

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mad4vols said:
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Types of Immunity to a Disease | CDC

Active immunity can be acquired through natural immunity or vaccine-induced immunity.

  • Natural immunity is acquired from exposure to the disease organism through infection with the actual disease.
  • Vaccine-induced immunity is acquired through the introduction of a killed or weakened form of the disease organism through vaccination.

Either way, if an immune person comes into contact with that disease in the future, their immune system will recognize it and immediately produce the antibodies needed to fight it. Active immunity is long-lasting, and sometimes life-long.
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Are we seriously back to this? If someone claims to be some medical expert on covid and has never heard of natural immunity, they're an idiot.
 
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I tell people all the time we tried for a year to catch covid and finally did it. I guess I should be more explicit for the dummies and clarify that by trying to catch covid, I meant just living my life normally. Like everyone should be doing who's under 70 without life threatening obesity or lifelong smoker.
 
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n_huffhines said:
My good friend's 90 YO parents both got COVID and are vaccinated. Went to hospital to play it safe, couldn't get in. Looks like they're gonna be OK tho
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Sooooooo why did they go to the hospital? Do they need emergency treatment, but couldn't get it? Your post doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
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Things I ponder...🤔

If we didn’t have the internet and MSM fear porn pushing it would we actually know about the Covid pandemic? How many communities or whole families have been wiped out in one fell swoop by this deadly virus? Why are we having to be “told” 24/7 how deadly something is? Beyond newspapers reporting on it, the Spanish Flu was actually seen and encountered by folks as whole families and communities were rapidly devastated within an 8 month period of time. No fear porn involved or necessary in that one.

Speaking of a flu, have you wondered what happened to our normal annual amount of flu deaths and flu complication deaths last year? It’s interesting that the pcr testing relied upon as the be all end all for diagnosis can’t differentiate between Covid and a flu strain and can’t determine a variant. How do they conclusively determine what variant of Covid someone has actually caught?

Why has the decades long standard medical definition of a vaccine, as something that creates an long lasting or lifetime immune response in the body, required the recent changing of that definition to be more in line with the Covid shots? Why is the immunity created after having a virus, like measles, that has been long considered to be a natural immunity given little to no protective consideration in those who have recovered from Covid?

Why is the standard hospital protocol, Fauci’s treatment plan for Covid, using a drug that causes renal failures and that in late 2020 was announced by the WHO to not be recommended in treating Covid? So they’re using vents which can cause lung tissue damage and a drug that can cause fluid buildup in the lungs to treat what is called a respiratory virus. Are the majority of Covid related pneumonia cases diagnosed before or after hospitalization?

Why is Fauci’s standardized hospital treatment plan being used to treat all variants of Covid when in the normal historical evolution of viruses aren’t the latter emerging variants less virulent but simply more contagious? Why do Alpha and Delta variants, which they can’t actually test for differentiation, require the same level of aggressive hospital treatment?

Just thing that make me go hmmm..
 
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DynaLo said:
Why has the decades long standard medical definition of a vaccine, as something that creates an long lasting or lifetime immune response in the body, required the recent changing of that definition to be more in line with the Covid shots?
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I think this went away with the advent of mRNA vaccines. The covid vaccine is not the 1st.
 
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tnmarktx said:
I think this went away with the advent of mRNA vaccines. The covid vaccine is not the 1st.
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CDC previously:
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease,protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.

CDC after September 1, 2021:
Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.

Definition changed to cover the Covid shots?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Over the course of the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic, a total of fiveTrusted Source vaccines were approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). These vaccines were developed using the same technology that had previously been used for

So 5 vaccines approved by the FDA for H1N1……
again….like the flu vaccine……
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The covid vaccines are not the same as the influenza vaccines. And of course, there was no mandate to use them.
 
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DynaLo said:
Speaking of a flu, have you wondered what happened to our normal annual amount of flu deaths and flu complication deaths last year? It’s interesting that the pcr testing relied upon as the be all end all for diagnosis can’t differentiate between Covid and a flu strain and can’t determine a variant. How do they conclusively determine what variant of Covid someone has actually caught?
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Well the answer that the Covidians will give you is that preventative measures like wearing masks, social distancing and hand sanitizing have minimized the flu...

I kid you not.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well the answer that the Covidians will give you is that preventative measures like wearing masks, social distancing and hand sanitizing have minimized the flu...

I kid you not.
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I know, their insanity has no boundaries.
My response is always, “well if it works so well now why haven’t we always been doing that for the flu? It seems to have worked so well during the Spanish flu.” 😁
 
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AshG said:
What do the data say?
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The data I’ve seen says the testing that’s been used can’t tell the difference between Covid and the flu. So, since we don’t have a flipping clue what people are actually sick with, how exactly do we know what any preventative measures being taken are actually preventing?
 
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