Vaccine or not?

[SpaceCoastVol]

For decades, we've forced children to get a multitude of vaccinations. Now your outrage seems like political hackery.

What is wrong with you? My stance on this has ZERO to do with politics.

The risk to my health is not worth the benefit of an untested unproven 'vaccine'. Especially one where there is ZERO liability from anyone should I have any adverse effects from it. I've had the China Flu. I am still alive. It is not needed.

And please pray for my two fully vaccinated in laws that came down with the ChinaFlu while we are at it.

 

[luthervol]

What is wrong with you? My stance on this has ZERO to do with politics.

The risk to my health is not worth the benefit of an untested unproven 'vaccine'. Especially one where there is ZERO liability from anyone should I have any adverse effects from it. I've had the China Flu. I am still alive. It is not needed.

And please pray for my two fully vaccinated in laws that came down with the ChinaFlu while we are at it.

No 1. You're married? WTH....When did that happen? How did that happen?

No 2. You said until recently America was a free country. When did it stop being a free country? When is started forcing vaccinations?

 

[LouderVol]

For decades, we've forced children to get a multitude of vaccinations. Now your outrage seems like political hackery.

the response to this one is also political hackery. It wasnt to be trusted at all when Trump was in charge. But as soon as Biden took over the pressure came.

And there are plenty of vaccinations that we dont require children, or anyone to get. Usually when they are low enough threats, like Covid under 30 low.

 

[LouderVol]

No 1. You're married? WTH....When did that happen? How did that happen?

No 2. You said until recently America was a free country. When did it stop being a free country? When is started forcing vaccinations?

Maybe when certain people arent allowed into certain stores.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to get jobs.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to go to school with the majority.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to serve in the military.

Maybe when certain people face travel restrictions.

Maybe when certain people face a prejudiced government or justice system.

 

[LouderVol]

It hasn't happened, and I havent heard talk of it just yet. But I can imagine vaccine status becoming a voting hurdle in the future.

 

[luthervol]

Maybe when certain people arent allowed into certain stores.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to get jobs.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to go to school with the majority.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to serve in the military.

Maybe when certain people face travel restrictions.

Maybe when certain people face a prejudiced government or justice system.

Are you talking segregation? We're making progress.
Restrictions against women? We're making progress.
Restrictions against certain sexual orientations? We're making progress.
It seems we have taken steps that increase the overall level of personal freedoms......and always to the chagrin of many "freedum" loving old conservative white men.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Hope your symptoms stay mild and you recover quickly!

How much exercise would you do or recommend during this? I mentioned I continued my running routine yesterday after getting my results. As long as I’m physically capable of running should I continue doing it or do I run the risk of straining my body or immune system too much?

 

[LouderVol]

Are you talking segregation? We're making progress.
Restrictions against women? We're making progress.
Restrictions against certain sexual orientations? We're making progress.
It seems we have taken steps that increase the overall level of personal freedoms......and always to the chagrin of many "freedum" loving old conservative white men.

Funny you went there in the vaccine thread. Seems like you would be against the restriction on personal freedoms based on vaccination status. But I guess because you assume it's mostly old white men, it's ok.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Maybe when certain people arent allowed into certain stores.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to get jobs.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to go to school with the majority.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to serve in the military.

Maybe when certain people face travel restrictions.

Maybe when certain people face a prejudiced government or justice system.

Get in the boxcar

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No 1. You're married? WTH....When did that happen? How did that happen?

No 2. You said until recently America was a free country. When did it stop being a free country? When is started forcing vaccinations?

I got married the same day Chernobyl blew up.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Are you talking segregation? We're making progress.
Restrictions against women? We're making progress.
Restrictions against certain sexual orientations? We're making progress.
It seems we have taken steps that increase the overall level of personal freedoms......and always to the chagrin of many "freedum" loving old conservative white men.

Careful, your racism is showing

 

[luthervol]

Funny you went there in the vaccine thread. Seems like you would be against the restriction on personal freedoms based on vaccination status. But I guess because you assume it's mostly old white men, it's ok.

lol......
Look at your list and think about who has historically been restricted.
Then consider who fought hardest to keep those restrictions in place......and continue to do so.
I've never had a problem with restaurants requiring shoes to be worn, schools and colleges requiring certain vaccinations, or the Cincinnati Reds having a policy against facial hair.

 

[LouderVol]

lol......
Look at your list and think about who has historically been restricted.
Then consider who fought hardest to keep those restrictions in place......and continue to do so.
I've never had a problem with restaurants requiring shoes to be worn, schools and colleges requiring certain vaccinations, or the Cincinnati Reds having a policy against facial hair.

You are trying to change the subject. This was never about race, or facial hair, or shoes.

I am trying avoid problems, instead of assuming we will correct it in 20 years.

And if you think vaccine requirements is hitting old white men the hardest you really arent paying attention. Or have you not seen BLM's statements? Or not seen EL cheering black men being denied service in NY. Maybe it was madvol, hard to keep them separate, seeing as they take turns relishing death.

Vaccine status is being used to create a second class citizen, that goes well beyond anyone one specific circumstance like schools. It's why I was able to mention many of the current problems and you assumed I was making a historical reference.

 

[VolinWayne]

Maybe when certain people arent allowed into certain stores.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to get jobs.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to go to school with the majority.

Maybe when certain people arent allowed to serve in the military.

Maybe when certain people face travel restrictions.

Maybe when certain people face a prejudiced government or justice system.

It amazes me at how many people are absolutely just sheep and willing to do whatever they are told to do. It's almost like they are a live crab that were put into a pot of cold water and they never realize that somebody turned the burner on.

 

[luthervol]

It amazes me at how many people are absolutely just sheep and willing to do whatever they are told to do. It's almost like they are a live crab that were put into a pot of cold water and they never realize that somebody turned the burner on.

I've never seen a group more willingly and effectively herded than the far right.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

For decades, we've forced children to get a multitude of vaccinations. Now your outrage seems like political hackery.

Although I don't think those vaccinations are necessarily right, the big difference between these COVID vaccines and the ones you mentioned are what you continue to ignore... we have no long term data with regards to side effects. At least we have several decades worth of data on the ones you mentioned and they went through a more conventional approval process.

 

[luthervol]

You are trying to change the subject. This was never about race, or facial hair, or shoes.

I am trying avoid problems, instead of assuming we will correct it in 20 years.

And if you think vaccine requirements is hitting old white men the hardest you really arent paying attention. Or have you not seen BLM's statements? Or not seen EL cheering black men being denied service in NY. Maybe it was madvol, hard to keep them separate, seeing as they take turns relishing death.

Vaccine status is being used to create a second class citizen, that goes well beyond anyone one specific circumstance like schools. It's why I was able to mention many of the current problems and you assumed I was making a historical reference.

We had two unheard of catastrophes occurring simultaneously. Like being hit with an magnitude 8 earthquake (COVID) while in the middle of a week long Cat. 6 hurricane (Trump). It has never happened and will never happen again. I think the whole vaccine craziness was a result of this. It will work itself out.

 

[LouderVol]

We had two unheard of catastrophes occurring simultaneously. Like being hit with an magnitude 8 earthquake (COVID) while in the middle of a week long Cat. 6 hurricane (Trump). It has never happened and will never happen again. I think the whole vaccine craziness was a result of this. It will work itself out.

That cat 6 struck the rest of the world too?

Considering trump is responsible for the vaccine you might want to be careful. Especially with the complete lack of further development by Biden.

It's one of the reasons this, mandates and othering, is an issue. They are hiding behind safety while all they care about is compliance.

 

[VolinWayne]

I've never seen a group more willingly and effectively herded than the far right.

Unless what you are talking about is what transpired on Jan 6 I strongly disagree with your statement

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Although I don't think those vaccinations are necessarily right, the big difference between these COVID vaccines and the ones you mentioned are what you continue to ignore... we have no long term data with regards to side effects. At least we have several decades worth of data on the ones you mentioned and they went through a more conventional approval process.

The argument to which I was responding was simply I should never be forced to put something in my body I don't want to.

 

[luthervol]

That cat 6 struck the rest of the world too?

Considering trump is responsible for the vaccine you might want to be careful. Especially with the complete lack of further development by Biden.

It's one of the reasons this, mandates and othering, is an issue. They are hiding behind safety while all they care about is compliance.

Trump's not responsible for the vaccine.
I willingly took my shoes off at the airport this weekend. I knew it was all about compliance and zero about safety.
But I also understood the underlying rationale.
I'll do my part to help clearer heads prevail.

 

[LouderVol]

Trump's not responsible for the vaccine.
I willingly took my shoes off at the airport this weekend. I knew it was all about compliance and zero about safety.
But I also understood the underlying rationale.
I'll do my part to help clearer heads prevail.

Clearer heads that make you take your shoes off even though it's not about safety....

We have different standards for clearer heads. You define that by compliance rather than rational explanation.

 

[hog88]

I've never seen a group more willingly and effectively herded than the far right.

LOL

 

[luthervol]

Clearer heads that make you take your shoes off even though it's not about safety....

We have different standards for clearer heads. You define that by compliance rather than rational explanation.

I don't.
I think it is stupid for me to take my shoes off.
But I took off my shoes without becoming a lunatic, and I will do what is within my power to avoid being required to take my shoes off in the future.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't.
I think it is stupid for me to take my shoes off.
But I took off my shoes without becoming a lunatic, and I will do what is within my power to avoid being required to take my shoes off in the future.

So where was the clearer head in the determination that you should take your shoe off. Or better yet they 80 year old grandma, or the 8 year old girl?