Vaccine or not?

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lawgator1 said:
The issue is, what is meant by "forced to"?

No one that I have heard of is physically held down and given the vaccine against their will. No one would advocate for that.

But why can't an employer or a restaurant require a vaccine for the privilege of working/eating there? I see no reason why they don't have that right, themselves.
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Most people wouldn't have an issue if it was coming from corporations alone. There would be market driven forces where some companies would have a mandate and others would choose not to do so. But the Federal govt is pushing a lot of companies that do not want to mandate a vaccine into doing so. For you to not recognize that the Federal govt is driving companies and employees into these mandates you are either delusional or intentionally being deceptive and dishonest.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I ran religiously before open heart surgery in late 2016. Since that time, I walk religiously but more often and longer distances. I have found that walking has actually been more beneficial for my physical well being than running. Just my personal experience, and let me add that my walks aren't "strolls". I walk at a 3.5 -4 mile/HR pace
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Same boat. I walked religiously for just a few months last year at that same rate and calorie counted and the benefits were astounding. Best shape since college. Liver enzymes normal, BP about 115/68, BMI below 20, Cholesteral very good.
If you are disciplined for just a bit, the health gains are enormous. Sadly I have fallen off the wagon and I am mad at myself.
 
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VolinWayne said:
These people are simply evil. There absolutely is no other word to describe these people. If this woman dies because of the fact that she was taken off of the waiting list these people will will one day stand before God and be judged as the murderers that they are. It's that simple.

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — An El Paso County woman says she won’t be able to get a kidney transplant through UCHealth because she’s not vaccinated against COVID-19.

Colorado Springs womans name inactive on UCHealth kidney transplant list over vaccination status - The Denver Channel – TodayHeadline

Leilani Lutali learned of this after receiving a letter, dated Sept. 28, from the UCHealth Transplant Center at its Anschutz Medical Campus:




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“I feel coerced. I feel like my life is being held in their hands in exchange for a shot, and the attitude is just take the shot,” Lutali told Denver7’s sister station KOAA Tuesday.

The letter has gotten a lot of attention, including from State Rep. Tim Geitner, a Republican serving El Paso County.

“The understanding is basically… conform to this demand. Take this COVID vaccine or otherwise you will be denied a life-saving procedure,” he said Tuesday.
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Unvaccinated patients are getting kicked off organ transplant waitlists | Ars Technica

Question: They seem to have a preference for organ recipients being vaccinated, but I wonder if they have the same preference for organ donors? Are organs from unvaccinated people less preferable than from vaccinated donors?
 
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Orangeburst said:
Same boat. I walked religiously for just a few months last year at that same rate and calorie counted and the benefits were astounding. Best shape since college. Liver enzymes normal, BP about 115/68, BMI below 20, Cholesteral very good.
If you are disciplined for just a bit, the health gains are enormous. Sadly I have fallen off the wagon and I am mad at myself.
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My BMI went down. New eating habits were obviously a major factor, but I believe walking at a nice pace and 2/3 times the distance were as beneficial
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
My BMI went down. New eating habits were obviously a major factor, but I believe walking at a nice pace and 2/3 times the distance were as beneficial
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I never understood the walkers that "casual walk" thinking they are benefitting. Get your heart rate up to a moderate level for an hour, not strenuous, and good things occur.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Most people wouldn't have an issue if it was coming from corporations alone. There would be market driven forces where some companies would have a mandate and others would choose not to do so. But the Federal govt is pushing a lot of companies that do not want to mandate a vaccine into doing so. For you to not recognize that the Federal govt is driving companies and employees into these mandates you are either delusional or intentionally being deceptive and dishonest.
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The federal government is "driving" companies into requiring vaccines as a condition of employment?

Got a link for that? And what do you mean "driving"? You mean recommending? Oh. The horror.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The federal government is "driving" companies into requiring vaccines as a condition of employment?

Got a link for that? And what do you mean "driving"? You mean recommending? Oh. The horror.
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No they are requiring government contractors to get 'vaccinated'.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The federal government is "driving" companies into requiring vaccines as a condition of employment?

Got a link for that? And what do you mean "driving"? You mean recommending? Oh. The horror.
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They are driving 18 million Americans to show their company a negative test every week or get vaccinated.
 
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volfanhill said:
They are driving 18 million Americans to show their company a negative test every week or get vaccinated.
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I dont believe the "tests" are even accurate to ascertain. Too many anecdotes that I have heard. although never asked if rapid
 
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lawgator1 said:
The issue is, what is meant by "forced to"?

No one that I have heard of is physically held down and given the vaccine against their will. No one would advocate for that.

But why can't an employer or a restaurant require a vaccine for the privilege of working/eating there? I see no reason why they don't have that right, themselves.
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Shut up commie. You wouldn’t know a slippery slope if you were sliding down one bare a$$ed
 
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Orangeburst said:
I dont believe the "tests" are even accurate to ascertain. Too many anecdotes that I have heard. although never asked if rapid
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I think the PCR lab tests are pretty good (1%). The rapids that folks are taking at home are essentially a coin flip on the false negative rate (40% when sick). Might as well just lie and say you took one.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The issue is, what is meant by "forced to"?

No one that I have heard of is physically held down and given the vaccine against their will. No one would advocate for that.

But why can't an employer or a restaurant require a vaccine for the privilege of working/eating there? I see no reason why they don't have that right, themselves.
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Well, the government is trying to force businesses to mandate it through intimidation by raising OSHA fines. Of course I’m sure you don’t see that as a problem.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The issue is, what is meant by "forced to"?

No one that I have heard of is physically held down and given the vaccine against their will. No one would advocate for that.

But why can't an employer or a restaurant require a vaccine for the privilege of working/eating there? I see no reason why they don't have that right, themselves.
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They should be able to. But the government shouldn’t be forcing businesses to do this.
 
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VolinWayne said:
You are missing the point. Apparently they have seen enough adverse reactions and an increased risk in heart inflammation that they are now not allowing younger people to take the vaccine. It's absolutely insane to require young people to take a vaccine for a disease that they have almost no chance of dying from.
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Case in point for not following the science.
 
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Here is the perspective from a lot of the black community who in places like New York City 72 percent of the black community will be denied basic services because they refuse the vaccine. After all of the lies that they have been told about vaccines and other treatments over the years they are simply refusing to be the guinea pigs thus time

 
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lawgator1 said:
The issue is, what is meant by "forced to"?

No one that I have heard of is physically held down and given the vaccine against their will. No one would advocate for that.

But why can't an employer or a restaurant require a vaccine for the privilege of working/eating there? I see no reason why they don't have that right, themselves.
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