Vaccine or not?

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tnmarktx said:
It also contrasts many other actual medical studies that show that natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity. It's basically just more lies and propaganda.
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It's a press release. There is no author, no cited resources, and no counterpoint.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I thought I explained that. Louder is saying the world isn’t a safe place and you accept that when you walk out the door. You’re desperately trying to hedge that acceptance by giving the state powers they shouldn’t have for some illusion they can make things safer. They can’t
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So what, in your mind, is the purpose of enforcing speed limits if not to mitigate risk to the public?
 
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McDad said:
It's a press release. It's garbage as a resource to bolster your argument.
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You're arguing with a guy that told me to post all-time COVID data in response to a post showing all-time COVID data.

Arguments, data, science- not his strong suits.
 
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McDad said:
It's a press release. There is no author, no cited resources, and no counterpoint.
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LOL. No, it's not.

Nebraska medicine is a private, non-profit healthcare company based in Omaha. It isn't a media outlet, so it wouldn't necessarily have an author... and they don't have to cite their sources, because their opinions represent the culmination of research from within their own company, and their own conclusions. You don't have to cite yourself as a source.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
When that decision can impact the health of others, it's not merely your own health decision. I will harken back to Jacobson v. Massachusetts, once again. A president can't issue such a mandate, but governors definitely can and have.
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I already pointed out I am fine with people who test sick being quarantined, even against their will. Again, regardless of vaccine status.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
LOL. No, it's not.

Nebraska medicine is a private, non-profit healthcare company based in Omaha. It isn't a media outlet, so it wouldn't necessarily have an author... and they don't have to cite their sources, because their opinions represent the culmination of research from within their own company, and their own conclusions. You don't have to cite yourself as a source.
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It was the first link you found which you thought gave credence to your position. That's all. Or did we all miss the consensus by leading experts which appointed NebraskaMed as the best resource for all things health care?

It's a promotional piece. Look, I don't care one way or the other. If you want to put your faith in a commercial, that's your choice. But it does nothing to help your point.

Find a better resource and/or make better points.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
Driving at high speeds isn't knowingly trying to injure anyone either, so this isn't a refutation to that analogy if that's what you were intending it to be.
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Good luck proving the general unvaxxed is trying to injure someone. That's the point. This entire government mindset is about compliance to the vaccine, not if someone is a danger to others.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, it isn't! That is a private, non-profit health care company. Why would they be interested in press?
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The are interested in press because they are interested in providing services. Very simple really. Your bank does the same.

If you would simply take an extra 30 seconds to read what you link, you would save yourself a lot of egg on your face.
Notice the webpage. Notice the links to services. Pay attention to the end of the press release and the bottom of the webpage.

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The Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine recently received full FDA approval. Get vaccinated today.

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LouderVol said:
Good luck proving the general unvaxxed is trying to injure someone. That's the point. This entire government mindset is about compliance to the vaccine, not if someone is a danger to others.
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I never said they were trying to injure others? The analogy with speeding is relevant because people are behaving risky, i.e., without regard to others' safety, and the argument to date has been something like "well don't go anywhere if you're afraid." But you all don't seem to have the same take on me driving at 155+ down the interstate. I'm not trying to hurt anyone, so stay home if you're afraid. The government should not have a say in what I do with myself or my property--isn't that what you said earlier today?
 
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McDad said:
If you want to put your faith in a commercial, that's your choice. But it does nothing to help your point.
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I will say this one more time :

Nebraska Medicine is a private, non-profit, American healthcare company based in Omaha. They are the most comprehensive health network in their region, with two major hospitals, 40 clinics and over a thousand doctors. That isn't a press release or a commercial.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I will say this one more time :

Nebraska Medicine is a private, non-profit, American healthcare company based in Omaha. They are the most comprehensive health network in their region, with two major hospitals, 40 clinics and over a thousand doctors. That isn't a press release or a commercial.
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Hey man, can you point out the high vaccinated vs. high unvaccinated states in the data I shared earlier?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I thought the process required follow up on reports to have them entered into the database? It’s a question not a statement.
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They may follow up but there's no requirement for it.

I doubt "they" have the man power to do detailed follow up's on "my hair fell out 20 minutes later" or "my hog grew 10x."
 
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LouderVol said:
Covid logic: The 1.6% CFR from Covid is unacceptable, so the government must lock us down and set requirements for participation in society.

So if that reasoning is applied to VAERs, ie reported vaccine caused deaths, if 1.6% of the reports are true regarding deaths it would be worth while to shut down the vaccines.

Because the government and health care industry refuse to give us hard metrics, surely we can use the metrics they have already applied.
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I'm still not sure what you're trying to say here. If I've said something or you feel like i've implied something that is wrong, please point it out. I'm not answering for anyone else or getting pigeon holed into something called "covid logic."

I'm quite certain you believe you have a viable point to make, I'm just not co sure I'm the one you need to be making it to.
 
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Septic said:
They may follow up but there's no requirement for it.

I doubt "they" have the man power to do detailed follow up's on "my hair fell out 20 minutes later" or "my hog grew 10x."
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If they follow up on the 10x growth for any reason other than they want to get detailed steps how to replicate it they’re idiots. I don’t doubt they are manpower limited. And since they are a government entity I hope we keep it that way.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, it isn't! That is a private, non-profit health care company. Why would they be interested in press?
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To keep themselves as an established medical facility, maximize patient inflow, and earn enough PROFIT to pay competitive wages to workers and very nice wages to officers.

Nonprofit Hospitals Earn Substantial Profits | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Non-Profit Hospitals Can Be Extremely Profitable
How Non-Profit Hospitals Are Driving Up The Cost Of Health Care
 
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My worry coming out of this is that we will see increased vaccination hesitancy on established, long term viable vaccines. The last thing we need is measles or polio to make a return.
 
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