Vaccine or not?

[LouderVol]

I've even been asked several times how I can be sure that they aren't disguising the CV19 vaccine as flu shots to get people to take it. I know that sounds crazy, but some people have become extremely distrustful of.gov

With what I have gone through trying to find and get the Comirnaty vaccine, I dont blame them one bit. All my experience has done is reinforce that the only person who should be commenting on my health is my doctor.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Just noting again that you've neither answered my question (what is the purpose of enforcing speed limits if not to mitigate risk to the public?) nor supported your assertion that I don't have the right to drive it outside private roads.

Do you have a right to a job, or is that a privilege too? And if the rights bestowers determine that you don't have the right to work without the vaccine, then what? Just wanting to know where your logic is leading us.

Why don’t you prove your assertion that the privilege of driving is on par with the right of determining what goes in your own body?

If I didn’t know better I’d think you were asserting a false statement as fact and then demanding I disprove it. It’s almost like you’re begging the question of why I must accept driving as a right. Which I do not.

And no, I reject your end game also. The government doesn’t grant rights. End of story. They can however grant and administer privileges. Which is what your false equivalence argument is desperately trying to assert.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Yes, and I'm very surprised to see a health care professional touting it, in lieu of getting vaccinated.

COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination

BB it comes down to I trust my body and my mind more than I trust the government. There are many health care professionals not taking it and many scientists who have warned against it.
Support what you believe, if you believe the shot is doing what the CDC says it would do more power to you. I apply this evenly to anyone who would care to partake in that program.
I have my personal thoughts on this shot and my judgement is it is not for me.

 

[Wafflestomper]

Why don’t you prove your assertion that the privilege of driving is on par with the right of determining what goes in your own body?

If I didn’t know better I’d think you were asserting a false statement as fact and then demanding I disprove it. It’s almost like you’re begging the question of why I must accept driving as a right. Which I do not.

And no, I reject your end game also. The government doesn’t grant rights. End of story. They can however grant and administer privileges. Which is what your false equivalence argument is desperately trying to assert.

Uh, you're the one who claimed driving is a privilege. I asked you to support that assertion but rather than do so you've elected to rearrange the argument so you don't have to support anything yourself.

It's clear this isn't going anywhere, as usual. Cheers!

 

[Wafflestomper]

Imagine living this sad life. If the "rights bestowers" wanted to mitigate safety entirely, they'd lock up everyone- because the vaccinated are spreading disease as well. There is no logical path to go down, because you've already decided that someone else makes your decisions on your behalf.

I'm not sure where you're getting this from. Certainly not from me. I even said that I hope the courts do rule against the vaccine mandates because I'm excited about the potential implications. But you do you.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I thought the process required follow up on reports to have them entered into the database? It’s a question not a statement.

It does require follow up. They make it sound like people are stuffing all star ballots on VAERS...

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Sure it would work. And it actually addresses the issue at hand via direct measure which is are you sick and could you make anyone else sick. In fact it’s the only direct measure method being considered to address what they are using stupid ass EOs forced down people’s throats that don’t really provide any protection. His approach is much more applicable than a vax death cult approach.

Weren’t we testing everyone like a year ago? Testing was everywhere.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

It does require follow up. They make it sound like people are stuffing all star ballots on VAERS...

I highly doubt that. The amount of information you have to put into a VAERS report for it to be considered viable is lengthy.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Even those without much understanding of immunology have to question this.

When you've got people out here saying that getting a vaccine doesn't protect you, it protects those around you, then you know that there isn't much an appetite for questioning what is being pushed on them.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Dr Eric Rubin of Harvard University “It’s really going to be a question of what prevailing conditions are but we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it”

Where have I heard something like this before?

 

[MAD]

FDA committee votes in favor of granting emergency use authorization for Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine in children ages 5 to 11
FDA advisory panel recommends Pfizer vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11

Too bad many parents will not allow their kids to get vaccinated, because they've politicized the jab.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Uh, you're the one who claimed driving is a privilege. I asked you to support that assertion but rather than do so you've elected to rearrange the argument so you don't have to support anything yourself.

It's clear this isn't going anywhere, as usual. Cheers!

LMFAO that’s beautiful. Driving IS a privilege and you started with a broke down analogy trying to say how rights should be limited based on how the Feds limit privileges.

You’re right though. It isn’t going anywhere because you will never be able to sell your analogy

 

[NorthDallas40]

It does require follow up. They make it sound like people are stuffing all star ballots on VAERS...

That’s what I thought too. But admittedly don’t know. If they blindly use it to make decisions I’d think they were idiots.

 

[utvolpj]

FDA committee votes in favor of granting emergency use authorization for Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine in children ages 5 to 11
FDA advisory panel recommends Pfizer vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11

Too bad many parents will not allow their kids to get vaccinated, because they've politicized the jab.

Another terrible take. Maybe it's because of the actual numbers showing this isn't going after that age group. No telling what will have happened to these kids 70yrs from now. I know my kids will absolutely not be getting it

 

[LouderVol]

FDA committee votes in favor of granting emergency use authorization for Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine in children ages 5 to 11
FDA advisory panel recommends Pfizer vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11

Too bad many parents will not allow their kids to get vaccinated, because they've politicized the jab.

There is an emergency amongst the 5-11 year olds?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Uh, you're the one who claimed driving is a privilege. I asked you to support that assertion but rather than do so you've elected to rearrange the argument so you don't have to support anything yourself.

It's clear this isn't going anywhere, as usual. Cheers!

So you were trying hard to sell that you have property use rights on your vehicle. Which you do it’s your property. But you don’t have a usage right on public roads. We just don’t.

Your end game was to play that since the government can limit your property usage rights on your car on public roads they can also limit your rights to not be forced to take the jab. It was visible coming over the hill. They are not equivalent.

 

[newyorkvol]

From the Executive Summary of the Pfizer application to FDA…

“Based on Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data, among children 5 to
<12 years of age there have been approximately 1.8 million confirmed and reported COVID-19 cases and 143 COVID-19-related deaths in the US through 14 October 2021. In this same age group, there have been 8622 COVID-19 related hospitalizations through
18 September 2021. This translates to cumulative incidence rates of approximately 6000 and 30 per 100,000 for confirmed COVID-19 cases and COVID-19-related hospitalizations, respectively, among children 5 to <12 years of age. The pediatric burden of COVID-19 likely exceeds that of seasonal influenza. Children can also suffer from post-acute sequelae after COVID-19. Through 04 October 2021, 5217 children in the US were diagnosed with Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome (MIS-C), half of whom were children 5 to 13 years of age.”

A number not included is case fatality rate in this age group which is 0.01 or population incidence of .65 per 100,000

 

[Vol423]

So you were trying hard to sell that you have property use rights on your vehicle. Which you do it’s your property. But you don’t have a usage right on public roads. We just don’t.

Your end game was to play that since the government can limit your property usage rights on your car on public roads they can also limit your rights to not be forced to take the jab. It was visible coming over the hill. They are not equivalent.

Yes. He has unlimited property use rights to drive his car on his own, personal private property. Once he ventures off his private property he has to be licensed (no personal property rights). It's a privilege, not a right.

 

[Vol423]

Uh, you're the one who claimed driving is a privilege. I asked you to support that assertion

Try speeding down the freeway without a driver's license. When the cop pulls you over for speeding, he's also going to issue you a ticket for driving without a license. That is support for the fact that driving is a privilege, not a right.

 

[VolStrom]

FDA committee votes in favor of granting emergency use authorization for Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine in children ages 5 to 11
FDA advisory panel recommends Pfizer vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11

Too bad many parents will not allow their kids to get vaccinated, because they've politicized the jab.

Just a question. How many kids or grandkids do you have that are in the 5-11 year old range?

 

[0nelilreb]

FDA committee votes in favor of granting emergency use authorization for Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine in children ages 5 to 11
FDA advisory panel recommends Pfizer vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11

Too bad many parents will not allow their kids to get vaccinated, because they've politicized the jab.

What’s to bad is that you were actually right , this time , but still managed to miss at the same time . What’s being politicized is that age group getting the jab .

 

[Vol423]

What’s to bad is that you were actually right , this time , but still managed to miss at the same time . What’s being politicized is that age group getting the jab .

There is no reason whatsoever for someone that age to be exposed to these vaccines.

 

[Vol423]

Dr Eric Rubin of Harvard University “It’s really going to be a question of what prevailing conditions are but we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it”

Where have I heard something like this before?

I sure as hell hope this idiot is a PHD. That quote alone should be enough to revoke any license as an MD.

 

[newyorkvol]

I sure as hell hope this idiot is a PHD. That quote alone should be enough to revoke any license as an MD.

Was listing to a doctor from NYU on MSNBC. She said that the FDA said that the benefits of the vaccine in this age group outweigh the risks although the risks aren’t fully known .

 

[Vol423]

Was listing to a doctor from NYU on MSNBC. She said that the FDA said that the benefits of the vaccine in this age group outweigh the risks although the risks aren’t fully known .

...but "Follow the Science!"

What a freaking joke these liberal clowns are!