Vaccine or not?

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NorthDallas40 said:
So no not completely. Let’s take my case for example. My skills are tuned to a specific market segment, the defense market. What makes me worth the 35 years of experience is a position within the defense sector. The idiot in chiefs mandate locks me out if that sector if it’s upheld unless I’m willing to inject something in my body that I may not want there. Now I’m free to get a job in the private sector but my earnings are greatly diminished. As my skills aren’t tuned for that market. So yes quite a few highly skilled people are in fact forced to patronize a business or group of businesses or have the income generation capacity highly diminished due to a ridiculous over reaching mandate. That’s complete ********.
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It sucks no doubt but mandating that an employer can’t set it’s own policy is just as bad as mandating policies for them.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I've got a small business and if a wave of covid runs through my place and shuts down three or four people for two or three weeks, that's two or three weeks I'm not making any money and paying their sick time out of savings. Its not all about big corporate running amok.
I'll add my usual caveat that I have never implemented a requirement and if I did, I would also have a testing option.
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Also, what if 1 or more of your biggest clients say “no vaccine no business”? Are you supposed to lose your business because of a state mandate saying you can’t run your business as you need to?
 
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hog88 said:
It sucks no doubt but mandating that an employer can’t set it’s own policy is just as bad as mandating policies for them.
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It started with the first mandate which was authoritarian over reach. I’ll take them countering with their own shall not since they followed up with law suits to vacate the original mandate which is the right approach. And hopefully these mandates are all thrown out.
 
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hog88 said:
It sucks no doubt but mandating that an employer can’t set it’s own policy is just as bad as mandating policies for them.
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It's not when the point of a republic is to protect the smallest minority there is from oppression- especially when we see constantly see mob action from the business world (which is essentially now just an extension of government in many ways.

Corporate oppression, government oppression- in the end they're the same thing. The idea of total free markets is as much as a silly pipe dream as communism and ought to be laughed at in the same way. There is, in fact, some government action that is good and decent, especially when it is to protect against overreach of any kind.

Feel free to change the word "oppression" to "tyranny" if that better suits you.
 
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hog88 said:
Also, what if 1 or more of your biggest clients say “no vaccine no business”? Are you supposed to lose your business because of a state mandate saying you can’t run your business as you need to?
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I’d hope the state would put a stop in place and sue that client to overturn that mandate they had no business trying to impose. Which is what the GOP AGs are doing.
 
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hog88 said:
Also, what if 1 or more of your biggest clients say “no vaccine no business”? Are you supposed to lose your business because of a state mandate saying you can’t run your business as you need to?
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There are countless laws and regulations that would cause someone to lose their business if they don't comply. You're already part of the system.

Choosing this hill to die on is telling.
 
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ButchPlz said:
It's not when the point of a republic is to protect the smallest minority there is from oppression- especially when we see constantly see mob action from the business world (which is essentially now just an extension of government in many ways.

Corporate oppression, government oppression- in the end they're the same thing. The idea of total free markets is as much as a silly pipe dream as communism and ought to be laughed at in the same way. There is, in fact, some government action that is good and decent, especially when it is to protect against overreach of any kind.

Feel free to change the word "oppression" to "tyranny" if that better suits you.
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I get what you are saying but corporate oppression can only exist with government approval and help. Government should stay out of the vast majority of corporate decisions and let the free market work.
 
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ButchPlz said:
It's not when the point of a republic is to protect the smallest minority there is from oppression- especially when we see constantly see mob action from the business world (which is essentially now just an extension of government in many ways.

Corporate oppression, government oppression- in the end they're the same thing. The idea of total free markets is as much as a silly pipe dream as communism and ought to be laughed at in the same way. There is, in fact, some government action that is good and decent, especially when it is to protect against overreach of any kind.

Feel free to change the word "oppression" to "tyranny" if that better suits you.
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Employers are people, too.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’d hope the state would put a stop in place and sue that client to overturn that mandate they had no business trying to impose. Which is what the GOP AGs are doing.
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Good luck suing an out of state client for not abiding by a state law they are not subject to.
 
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hog88 said:
I get what you are saying but corporate oppression can only exist with government approval and help. Government should stay out of the vast majority of corporate decisions and let the free market work.
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And that's my point- because humans are humans, a totally "free market" is a pipe dream.

Tell me, what is the most important part of a free market?
 
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ButchPlz said:
There are countless laws and regulations that would cause someone to lose their business if they don't comply. You're already part of the system.

Choosing this hill to die on is telling.
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It’s absolutely telling, it should tell you that I believe in free association and allowing people to make decisions that are best for them. Be that an individual or a person(s) that own a company.
 
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hog88 said:
I get what you are saying but corporate oppression can only exist with government approval and help. Government should stay out of the vast majority of corporate decisions and let the free market work.
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But sadly they chose to interfere. And now it’s on the courts to settle the issue
 
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ButchPlz said:
And that's my point- because humans are humans, a totally "free market" is a pipe dream.

Tell me, what is the most important part of a free market?
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I 100% agree that a “totally free” market is a pipe dream.

Minimal regulation.
 
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hog88 said:
I 100% agree that a “totally free” market is a pipe dream.

Minimal regulation.
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Minimal regulation sounds nice, but who decides what is minimal?

Again, when left to its own "freedom" a growing business will naturally tend towards looking just like a government whether there is a government "allowing" it or not- depriving individual liberties, removing the information to allow the market to function (the real key to a "free" market), effectively cartel-izing, etc.
 
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