Vaccine or not?

[Rickyvol77]

You are stupid if you think they aren't.

I’m referencing thinking that people all over the country are actually checking vaccine cards. It’s happening in some locations but mostly being worked around

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Derp

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain what this number is (I'm guessing the price tag of the infrastructure bill) and what it has to do with my post.

Just another meaningless big number.

 

[evillawyer]

I had absolutely zero choice in the things that were put in my body when I was a child. I have had no immunizations as an adult outside of one flu vaccine.

And this vaccine is NOT like any others that have ever been produced. It is not the same or even close, nor has it withstood the test of time.

So what's the basis of the religious exemption if you've been vaxxed before, especially voluntarily as an adult? Seems a lot of houey to me.

 

[C-south]

So what's the basis of the religious exemption if you've been vaxxed before, especially voluntarily as an adult? Seems a lot of houey to me.

The basis should be saying you want a religious exemption and that be the end of it.

 

[TNHopeful505]

So what's the basis of the religious exemption if you've been vaxxed before, especially voluntarily as an adult? Seems a lot of houey to me.

So first off, I was voluntarily vaxxed....one time....MANY years ago. Before I was married. Before I came to Christ. Before I had children. I was a completely different person in my early 20's. In many ways. Especially in those concerning my health.

You don't get to say my reasons are "houey." You don't know me. At all.

And I agree with @C-south, it shouldn't matter what the belief is. That's not what the EEOC says. If it's a sincerely held belief, it doesn't matter what it is. I realize that a lot are abusing religious exemptions, but I have been using them honestly for years.

 

[DuckInAPen]

You can go work for somebody that pays you less because they don't care about your defense contractor skills.

Irony sucks doesn't it.

It's funny how all these "choices" work. Those of us who have needed masking and social distancing to be practiced in our places of employment, grocery stores, etc., so that we wouldn't bring COVID home to vulnerable members of our families? Many who are currently so exercised by the plight of those who have run afoul of vaccination requirements explained to us repeatedly that we had the "choice" of just staying home (or 'hiding in our homes, if we were so afraid of a virus,' as it was usually phrased). Funny how that "choice" isn't still on the table, now that the shoe's on the other foot . . .

For the record, I'm a supporter of robust conscience protections, and, like you, I wish for fair and reasonable accommodations to be extended to those who (whether for the sake of conscience or because of fear) are unwilling to comply with their employer's vaccination policy (or the policy imposed upon their employer by the federal government). I confess, though, that I find it difficult to muster much sympathy for those particular individuals who have exhibited so little sympathy for the vulnerable.

 

[DuckInAPen]

Just another meaningless big number.

If you regard the deaths of three quarters of a million of your fellow citizens as "just another meaningless big number," we have, it would seem, no possible common ground for a profitable discussion. All the best to you and yours, SpaceCoastVol.

 

[0nelilreb]

So what's the basis of the religious exemption if you've been vaxxed before, especially voluntarily as an adult? Seems a lot of houey to me.

Mad , I mean Tyler , umm EL .. you ever asked a 40 year old man that just became a Muslim why he use to eat pork chops , but doesn’t anymore or is that just houey also ?

 

[Weezer]

So what's the basis of the religious exemption if you've been vaxxed before, especially voluntarily as an adult? Seems a lot of houey to me.

Needing a reason to refuse being vaxxed is a bunch of hooey. There should be a freedom to choose. I swear, it's like people have forgotten this is America, and not some fascist dictatorship where the government runs our lives. Yet all you sheep are lining up to follow. And I say that as someone completely vaxxed because I chose to be, not because a politician or the government said I had to. It should be a choice.

 

[Vol423]

Needing a reason to refuse being vaxxed is a bunch of hooey. There should be a freedom to choose. I swear, it's like people have forgotten this is America, and not some fascist dictatorship where the government runs our lives. Yet all you sheep are lining up to follow. And I say that as someone completely vaxxed because I chose to be, not because a politician or the government said I had to. It should be a choice.

I agree completely, and I am vaccinated as well.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If you regard the deaths of three quarters of a million of your fellow citizens as "just another meaningless big number," we have, it would seem, no possible common ground for a profitable discussion. All the best to you and yours, SpaceCoastVol.

Wow. You are some kind of special.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The basis should be saying you want a religious exemption and that be the end of it.

You shouldn't even need that. "I don't want to get that 'vaccine'" is all one should need to say and that should suffice. Actually.... you shouldn't even need to tell anyone that you don't want it.

 

[Weezer]

If you regard the deaths of three quarters of a million of your fellow citizens as "just another meaningless big number," we have, it would seem, no possible common ground for a profitable discussion. All the best to you and yours, SpaceCoastVol.

I'm curious, do you believe in green policies and saving the planet?

 

[DonjoVol]

I can agree with that, but I'd say there's more than one ******* involved in this. Like I said, two wrongs don't make a right.

A couple of questions for you.

Are you for vaccine mandates or not?

Also, what's more important to you? Personal freedom to choose whether or not to be vaccinated? Or a private business being able to mandate vaccinations and choosing to fire people who don't want to get vaccinated?

 

[hUTch2002]

lying to her fan base? Say it ain't so!

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LOL. You and that Tweeter are being stupid. What does the line right below the highlighted part say? Next time you and this person try taking something out of context be sure to cut out the part that directly contradicts your stupid point.

 

[DonjoVol]

LOL. You are that Tweeter are being stupid. What does the line right below the highlighted part say? Next time you and this person try taking something out of context be sure to cut out the part that directly contradicts your stupid point.

Candace really knows how to push buttons. It amazes me how easily upset the left/democrats and some of these self proclaimed centrists/libertarians get anytime she speaks.

 

[hog88]

A couple of questions for you.

Are you for vaccine mandates or not?

Also, what's more important to you? Personal freedom to choose whether or not to be vaccinated? Or a private business being able to mandate vaccinations and choosing to fire people who don't want to get vaccinated?

You didn’t ask me but I’m 100% opposed to all .gov mandates.

I’m 100% for the right of the individual to choose to be vaccinated or not or associate with others based on their vaccination status. Whether that be the individual employee/customer or the individual(s) that own businesses.

 

[DonjoVol]

You didn’t ask me but I’m 100% opposed to all .gov mandates.

I’m 100% for the right of the individual to choose to be vaccinated or not or associate with others based on their vaccination status. Whether that be the individual employee/customer or the individual(s) that own businesses.

So you're okay with businesses basing their hiring and termination practices based upon medical decisions that potential job applicants and employees make? Can a private business fire someone if they are diagnosed with certain health conditions? Can they refuse to hire someone if they have certain medical conditions? Can they refuse to serve a customer based on the medical decisions/ health conditions of that person?

Interested to see your answer to those questions.

 

[ButchPlz]

WTH are you talking about? I know you have started and ran a small business so please explain how you looked like a government.

Have you ever worked for or with a massive business (I have and am now)? Have you ever looked at what has happened when corporations are left unrestrained (check the history books)?

I could have done with much less regulation, sure. But you can bet if I had grown our business large enough I would have continued to act in the interest of profit and done all I can to crush out the "free" market and been the only game in town.

 

[ButchPlz]

So you're okay with businesses basing their hiring and termination practices based upon medical decisions that potential job applicants and employees make? Can a private business fire someone if they are diagnosed with certain health conditions? Can they refuse to hire someone if they have certain medical conditions? Can they refuse to serve a customer based on the medical decisions/ health conditions of that person?

Interested to see your answer to those questions.

What we're seeing is that many businesses are effectively create the desired government mandated state without the requirement from government even being in effect. So much for "individual choice", eh?

 

[hog88]

So you're okay with businesses basing their hiring and termination practices based upon medical decisions that potential job applicants and employees make? Can a private business fire someone if they are diagnosed with certain health conditions? Can they refuse to hire someone if they have certain medical conditions? Can they refuse to serve a customer based on the medical decisions/ health conditions of that person?

Interested to see your answer to those questions.

No, I’m not ok with any of that but that’s immaterial to the discussion. Just as you have the right to associate with whoever you choose so should businesses. Businesses should have the rights to hire/fire, serve anyone they choose for whatever reason they choose, just like an individual person does.

 

[clarksvol00]

A couple of questions for you.

Are you for vaccine mandates or not?

Also, what's more important to you? Personal freedom to choose whether or not to be vaccinated? Or a private business being able to mandate vaccinations and choosing to fire people who don't want to get vaccinated?

I think I've answered both those questions.

 

[hog88]

Have you ever worked for or with a massive business (I have and am now)? Have you ever looked at what has happened when corporations are left unrestrained (check the history books)?

I could have done with much less regulation, sure. But you can bet if I had grown our business large enough I would have continued to act in the interest of profit and done all I can to crush out the "free" market and been the only game in town.

Never have been an employee of a large corporation but two of our biggest clients are the largest package delivery companies in the world, used to have a good chunk of WalMart (thank goodness we lost that) and several other national name brands so I do have some experience navigating those waters.

Any corporate tyranny can only exist with government approval and help.

 

[DonjoVol]

I think I've answered both those questions.

Which one is more important to you? The right for people to make their own medical decisions OR a business mandating people make medical decisions?