Vaccine or not?

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DonjoVol said:
So you would only require unvaccinated employees to test weekly? What if they are showing no symptoms? How long would the testing last? And why not just require all employees to test weekly since people who are vaccinated can catch it and spread it as well.
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That's what the government requires to re-enter the US from abroad. Meaning they even understand the "vaccine" doesn't do sh%t.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Most people in medicine are required to have a Hepatitis B vaccination. This has been a requirement since I got into the field over 30 yrs ago. Our medical people can chime in whether that is still the case
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Actually, we often have to provide proof of hep B immunity with an antibody titer -- considered the gold standard for immunity in medicine. (Which makes the ignoring of naturally-acquired immunity with this virus even more maddening)
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Actually, we often have to provide proof of hep B immunity with an antibody titer -- considered the gold standard for immunity in medicine. (Which makes the ignoring of naturally-acquired immunity with this virus even more maddening)
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Do you find it odd that some labs are returning results on antibodies with no reference ranges?
 
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ButchPlz said:
That's what the government requires to re-enter the US from abroad. Meaning they even understand the "vaccine" doesn't do sh%t.
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What's funny is these supposed libertarian, moderate, and centrist types on here who say they are against any government mandate. But are okay with private businesses being involved in people's personal health decisions.
 
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DonjoVol said:
What's funny is these supposed libertarian, moderate, and centrist types on here who say they are against any government mandate. But are okay with private businesses being involved in people's personal health decisions.
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It's been my point all along. The end result is the same- oppression of the individual. What makes a business doing it better than the government doing it? Nothing.
 
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Pfizer's Covid jab trial researchers in Texas 'skewed data, didn't follow-up with patients who had side effects and failed to test people with symptoms', BMJ investigation claims

  • Whistleblower who worked at firm paid to run trial documented dozen failings
Researchers running a small number of Pfizer's original Covid vaccine trials may have skewed their findings, an investigation has warned.

A US subcontractor paid to run an arm of the study has been accused of cutting corners, obscuring data and putting patients in harm's way.

Researchers running arm of Pfizer's Covid jab trials 'falsified' data, investigation claims | Daily Mail Online
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Do you find it odd that some labs are returning results on antibodies with no reference ranges?
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It's also probably the first truthful communication about Covid that we've heard so far. They likely have no clue what the reference range should be. For other medical conditions (other than Covid), that would have prevented the test from ever being released to the market.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Pfizer's Covid jab trial researchers in Texas 'skewed data, didn't follow-up with patients who had side effects and failed to test people with symptoms', BMJ investigation claims

  • Whistleblower who worked at firm paid to run trial documented dozen failings
Researchers running a small number of Pfizer's original Covid vaccine trials may have skewed their findings, an investigation has warned.

A US subcontractor paid to run an arm of the study has been accused of cutting corners, obscuring data and putting patients in harm's way.

Researchers running arm of Pfizer's Covid jab trials 'falsified' data, investigation claims | Daily Mail Online
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You mean people with a direct incentive for the success of the product fudged numbers to "prove" the success of the product? Inconceivable.
 
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ButchPlz said:
It's been my point all along. The end result is the same- oppression of the individual. What makes a business doing it better than the government doing it? Nothing.
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Exactly. In other words they don't want Trump or Biden snooping into people's private matters but are okay if Bill Gates and Roger Goodell do it. Like you said. No difference in the two.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
Define concretely what you mean by "green policies and saving the planet" and explain how the question is relevant to the topic at hand, and I may venture an answer.
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Seems like a pretty straightforward question. How about, do you believe in conservation? Some might argue that maybe we should let viruses do what they are intended to do, thin the human population. We are no different than any other animal species on the planet in that overpopulation has wreaked havoc on our habitat. It seems that's the one factor most "environmentalists" choose to ignore, that most of our "climate crisis" is the result of the ever increasing human population. That's science.

Jonathan Swift could probably write an interesting tale about it if he lived in this day and age.

And no, I'm not advocating for mass death. I'm merely putting forth a satirical POV. If you and your loved ones are vaccinated, then you're protected. Right? People should be able to freely choose whether or not they want to be vaccinated. They assume the risk through the decision they make. If vaccinated people are protected, then it's "hooey" to assume the unvaccinated are putting anyone but themselves at risk.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Actually, we often have to provide proof of hep B immunity with an antibody titer -- considered the gold standard for immunity in medicine. (Which makes the ignoring of naturally-acquired immunity with this virus even more maddening)
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I agree 100% that natural immunity should be respected but the point here is that employer mandated vaccinations are nothing new.

As for antibody titer, considering how long it's been since you had C19, do you really think you'd pass a titer test?
 
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DonjoVol said:
What's funny is these supposed libertarian, moderate, and centrist types on here who say they are against any government mandate. But are okay with private businesses being involved in people's personal health decisions.
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What’s funny is you faux conservatives, libertarians that support taking rights from business owners. I bet you supported that bakers right to not provide a cake to a gay wedding.
 
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ButchPlz said:
It's been my point all along. The end result is the same- oppression of the individual. What makes a business doing it better than the government doing it? Nothing.
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Completely different because an individual can choose to work for or patronize a business, refuse to comply with the government they come after you with guns.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Exactly. In other words they don't want Trump or Biden snooping into people's private matters but are okay if Bill Gates and Roger Goodell do it. Like you said. No difference in the two.
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Bill Gates or Roger Goodell going to send armed men after you if you don’t comply with their orders?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Exactly. They can't do what they want. And they should not be trying to force or coerce people to take medical treatment that they might be uncomfortable with.
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Exactly how can a corporation force anyone to do anything? Employers coerce employees all the time. Haven't you heard of companies rewarding people for quitting tobacco or losing weight. Heck some companies have banned tobacco altogether and won't hire smokers or will terminate if caught smoking off duty.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I agree 100% that natural immunity should be respected but the point here is that employer mandated vaccinations are nothing new.

As for antibody titer, considering how long it's been since you had C19, do you really think you'd pass a titer test?
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My last one was about 6 weeks ago, my spike ab titer was close to 500, and my nucleocapsid ab was also positive. For reference (from Pfizer): average spike ab after 2 shots is 255, IIRC.

Of course, I am likely regularly re-exposed, and I accidentally drank after my son while he was actively ill with CV about 3-4 weeks ago. So, I'm fairly certain I've been "boosted" several times.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Do you find it odd that some labs are returning results on antibodies with no reference ranges?
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There are no established reference ranges, which is pretty stupid, at this point. If anyone wanted, it would quite easy to recruit patients (with $) and draw serial titers to establish a range.

I do have the research titers from the authorization of the existing vaccines (it helps to know people...)
 
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hog88 said:
Exactly how can a corporation force anyone to do anything? Employers coerce employees all the time. Haven't you heard of companies rewarding people for quitting tobacco or losing weight. Heck some companies have banned tobacco altogether and won't hire smokers or will terminate if caught smoking off duty.
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Those reward programs are often done via a third party. So the employer doesn't have access to the direct information.

I've not heard of any company refusing to hire smokers or terminate if caught smoking off duty. That's news to me.
 
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