Vaccine or not?

[NorthDallas40]

A requirement to get a vaccine is different from a requirement to get a vaccine?

The only thing that isn't the same is that you're big mad and partisan butthurt over who is ringing the bell. Consider being honest with yourself.

It absolutely is as it depends on which government entity is forcing the requirement and goes to ask whether that mandate is within their sphere of authority or not.

But hey “government is government” I read it on the internet!

 

[Septic]

It absolutely is as it depends on which government entity is forcing the requirement and goes to ask whether that mandate is within their sphere of authority or not.

But hey “government is government” I read it on the internet!

Only to you, the ones who seem to be really just mad about WHO is requiring it.

Rationale people don't feel the need to make the partisan distinction between the word "requirement" and "requirement."

Seems like yall's feelz is getting in the way of logic.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Only to you, the ones who seem to be really just mad about WHO is requiring it.

Rationale people don't feel the need to make the partisan distinction between the word "requirement" and "requirement."

Actually my Governor, who actually has the authority to make such a decision, said no mandates. So I’m golden.

Now twist that into how he’s wrong

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

A requirement to get a vaccine is different from a requirement to get a vaccine?

The only thing that isn't the same is that you're big mad and partisan butthurt over who is ringing the bell. Consider being honest with yourself.

Politics has ZERO to do with my decision to avoid these unproven therapies. I survived Fauci's flu, Chief. I don't need this.

 

[Septic]

Actually my Governor, who actually has the authority to make such a decision, said no mandates. So I’m golden.

Now twist that into how he’s wrong

Good for you? I'm not sure that will make much difference if there's a federal requirement.

I think you keep trying to insert that who makes the requirement is somehow important, it's not. Who does it makes little difference if you're rolling up your sleeve.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Good for you? I'm not sure that will make much difference if there's a federal requirement.

I think you keep trying to insert that who makes the requirement is somehow important, it's not. Who does it makes little difference if you're rolling up your sleeve.

Oh sure because after all “government is government”. I’m really enjoying watching you wipe your ass with the Constitution and rationalizing even outright water carrying for the abuse of federal powers … that they don’t even have

 

[DC_Vol]

Only to you, the ones who seem to be really just mad about WHO is requiring it.

Rationale people don't feel the need to make the partisan distinction between the word "requirement" and "requirement."

Seems like yall's feelz is getting in the way of logic.

This is a silly argument. You see round objects and think they are all balls.

1 - This vaccine mandate is not the same as others. The reason is others have a long history, well known risk profiles, and potential side effects. We are not there with these vaccines. Not to mention 2 of the 3 use a different mechanism. We also don’t know how effective these COVID vaccines are. Comparing these products to ones that have been used for years is a bad comparison.

2 - it does make a big difference who is requiring it. We operate under Federalism. If I don’t like what CA is doing, for example, I can easily pick my ass up and go elsewhere. There’s not much you can do when Uncle Sam dictates it.

Notice neither of those points has anything to do with Biden, so don’t bother standing up that strawman.

 

[Septic]

Politics has ZERO to do with my decision to avoid these unproven therapies. I survived Fauci's flu, Chief. I don't need this.

You're very convincing, especially when you immediately reference Fauci.

 

[Septic]

Oh sure because after all “government is government”. I’m really enjoying watching you wipe your ass with the Constitution and rationalizing even outright water carrying for the abuse of federal powers … that they don’t even have

I'm not doing that. I'm simply stating the facts of what has occurred with previous vaccine requirements and pointing out that it's laughable to pretend it's somehow different.

You're inserting your personal feelings into it. I've made no comment on whether I agree with the requirement or not, you've irrationally assumed a position for me that isn't accurate.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm not doing that. I'm simply stating the facts of what has occurred with previous vaccine requirements and pointing out that it's laughable to pretend it's somehow different.

You're trying to insert your personal feelings into it. I've made no comment on whether I agree with the requirement or not, you've irrationally assumed a position for me that isn't accurate.

You’re doing just that due to equating all government entities as equal in what powers they can exercise over what groups of citizens. And I know you’re smart enough to know it too… but you’re in balls deep and can’t stop now

 

[MurphyVol]

Trump stirred up a lot of stuff when he invented this crazy vaccine.

 

[Septic]

This is a silly argument. You see round objects and think they are all balls.

1 - This vaccine mandate is not the same as others. The reason is others have a long history, well known risk profiles, and potential side effects. We are not there with these vaccines. Not to mention 2 of the 3 use a different mechanism. We also don’t know how effective these COVID vaccines are. Comparing these products to ones that have been used for years is a bad comparison.

2 - it does make a big difference who is requiring it. We operate under Federalism. If I don’t like what CA is doing, for example, I can easily pick my ass up and go elsewhere. There’s not much you can do when Uncle Sam dictates it.

Notice neither of those points has anything to do with Biden, so don’t bother standing up that strawman.

I agree, it's not the same as others - the "others" are actually required for participation in publicly funded activities. The covid vax isn't.

As far as the safety profile, can we just move past this already? The mrna vaccines are clearly safe and effective. Will there ever be a point where this "HoW CAn We Kn0w iF Itz Saf3? won't be trotted out?

To your second point, see my first - you aren't required to get the covid vax now. If you don't like what your employer is requiring, you can find a new job.

The root of these flimsy arguments is partisan, you can say it's not - but in these forums at least, we know. We all know.

 

[Septic]

You’re doing just that due to equating all government entities as equal in what powers they can exercise over what groups of citizens. And I know you’re smart enough to know it too… but you’re in balls deep and can’t stop now

You're trying to make the distinction out as somehow being a difference.

1. Government requirement to get the vaccine
2. Government requirement to get the vaccine

Which one of the above refers to the tdap and which refers to the covid vax. If you can tell me which one is which, I'll digress and take the "L."

If not, I'll give it back to you.

 

[whodeycin85]

No, but that's not what's happening.

If a buisness has the individual right to mandate a vax for employment, then they are controlling another indvidual, and infringing upon thier unalienable right to liberty (free from unnecessary restrictions) and pursuit of happiness (providing for family, do what they love)....a buiness doesnt have the same rights as an individual...they are held to a different set of standards...

 

[NorthDallas40]

You're trying to make the distinction out as somehow being a difference.

1. Government requirement to get the vaccine
2. Government requirement to get the vaccine

Which one of the above refers to the tdap and which refers to the covid vax. If you can tell me which one is which, I'll digress and take the "L."

If not, I'll give it back to you.

I don’t need to do that. The Constitution has already done it for me and the SCOTUS ruling on Jacobson vs Mass affirmed that I’m correct.

Your turn.

 

[Septic]

If a buisness has the individual right to mandate a vax for employment, then they are controlling another indvidual, and infringing upon thier unalienable right to liberty (free from unnecessary restrictions) and pursuit of happiness (providing for family, do what they love)....a buiness doesnt have the same rights as an individual...they are held to a different set of standards...

I see.

So you believe that a business owes employment without condition?

Tell me, in your opinion should a baker be legally compelled to bake and sell a wedding cake to a gay couple?

Is it OK for a business to forbid their health care insurance company from providing certain prescription medications?

 

[DC_Vol]

I agree, it's not the same as others - the "others" are actually required for participation in publicly funded activities. The covid vax isn't.

As far as the safety profile, can we just move past this already? The mrna vaccines are clearly safe and effective. Will there ever be a point where this "HoW CAn We Kn0w iF Itz Saf3? won't be trotted out?

To your second point, see my first - you aren't required to get the covid vax now. If you don't like what your employer is requiring, you can find a new job.

The root of these flimsy arguments is partisan, you can say it's not - but in these forums at least, we know. We all know.

My point is it makes a big difference which government entity is making a mandate.

And these vaccines don’t have enough history to be fully aware of potential risks.

What is your take?

 

[Septic]

I don’t need to do that. The Constitution has already done it for me and the SCOTUS ruling on Jacobson vs Mass affirmed that I’m correct.

Your turn.

I'm not sure how you think Jacobson v Mass invalidates anything I've stated. If nothing else, it reinforces that you'll do what the government tells you to do.

If you've got something that SCOTUS ruled on that says that the federal government can't enforce compulsory vaccination laws, I'm all ears.

Otherwise, your "L" is on the table, take it with you on the way out.

 

[NEO]

You're trying to make the distinction out as somehow being a difference.

1. Government requirement to get the vaccine
2. Government requirement to get the vaccine

Which one of the above refers to the tdap and which refers to the covid vax. If you can tell me which one is which, I'll digress and take the "L."

If not, I'll give it back to you.

Are you arguing that states rights and federal rights are the same?

I apologize if I am reading it wrong but you seem to be stating you don’t believe in states rights.

 

[VolStrom]

What if an employer makes certain promises like "work here for 30 years and you'll get a pension" and the decries if you don't get a shot you'll get fired and you won't get 30 years and also we don't owe you crap? Where do you draw the line?

 

[0nelilreb]

I agree, it's not the same as others - the "others" are actually required for participation in publicly funded activities. The covid vax isn't.

As far as the safety profile, can we just move past this already? The mrna vaccines are clearly safe and effective. Will there ever be a point where this "HoW CAn We Kn0w iF Itz Saf3? won't be trotted out?

To your second point, see my first - you aren't required to get the covid vax now. If you don't like what your employer is requiring, you can find a new job.

The root of these flimsy arguments is partisan, you can say it's not - but in these forums at least, we know. We all know.

You went too far into the weeds trying to tap dance and troll , the vaccine isn’t safe for everyone . What we are deciding now is what is an acceptable level of harm from it . What you consider acceptable and safe is subjective and not everyone thinks like you . That last part is a good thing btw . Lol

 

[Septic]

My point is it makes a big difference which government entity is making a mandate.

And these vaccines don’t have enough history to be fully aware of potential risks.

What is your take?

Different in what way?

A required shot in the arm is different from a required shot in the arm, how?

Tens of millions have taken the vax without incident and we've had a year to look at. That's a large sample size and it indicates it's safe...

 

[Septic]

You went too far into the weeds trying to tap dance and troll , the vaccine isn’t safe for everyone . What we are deciding now is what is an acceptable level of harm from it . What you consider acceptable and safe is subjective and not everyone thinks like you . That last part is a good thing btw . Lol

Fortunately and unlike other required vaccines, you aren't required to take it.

 

[0nelilreb]

Fortunately and unlike other required vaccines, you aren't required to take it.

Didn’t say anything about it being required , I addressed your “it’s safe “ comment .

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm not sure how you think Jacobson v Mass invalidates anything I've stated. If nothing else, it reinforces that you'll do what the government tells you to do.

If you've got something that SCOTUS ruled on that says that the federal government can't enforce compulsory vaccination laws, I'm all ears.

Otherwise, your "L" is on the table, take it with you on the way out.

Oh but it does. It explicitly shows that this mandate power rests with the state and not the federal executive. And you’re trying to stupidly extract that authority to the federal executive. Even the idiot in the WH said early on he didn’t have the authority however his handlers clearly revoked that nearly singular factual observation by the moron in chief.

The L belongs clearly to you. I don’t want to usurp my authority and take your property