Vaccine or not?

[Septic]

You deny he created this? Of course you do.

Warpspeed baby.

 

[Septic]

You’ve claimed to do so but you haven’t. Can you point to this section being the basis of any appeal to the three mandate decisions in play? Because they all clearly reference the power of the executive via OSHA in the OSHA act of 1970. But I’m sure you’re more versed in these legal interpretations than the lawyers petitioning the federal courts

Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (or PHSA), which allows the Department of Health and Human Services or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to make necessary measures “to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the States or possessions, or from one State or possession into any other State or possession.”

You having trouble with English? Comon, at least pretend you're paying attention.

Biggest overreach in history!

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[NorthDallas40]

Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (or PHSA), which allows the Department of Health and Human Services or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to make necessary measures “to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the States or possessions, or from one State or possession into any other State or possession.”

You having trouble with English? Comon, at least pretend you're paying attention.

Biggest overreach in history!

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If only the legal counsel defending these mandates in federal court had consulted with you before going all in on a loser OSHA act appeal. You’re clearly more versed in these issues than they are.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[C-south]

Sure. Go crazy, just don't be surprised when federal funding dries up and the DOJ comes to call.

The feds can be very compelling to non compliant States, right or wrong.

Like enforcing drug laws?

 

[AthensVol2007]

No.

Just that this requirement isn't any different from the other requirements. I believe people ought to make the decision for themselves.

Except the odds of death are exponentially (or “expidentially” as your dementia patient says) less than for any of the diseases where vaccination is required.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Politics has ZERO to do with my decision to avoid these unproven therapies. I survived Fauci's flu, Chief. I don't need this.

I think we must’ve had false positives because the Left tells us we will die if we’re unvaccinated, therefore, there’s no way we survived THE COVID.

 

[AthensVol2007]

The Executive Branch could cite Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (or PHSA), which allows the Department of Health and Human Services or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to make necessary measures “to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the States or possessions, or from one State or possession into any other State or possession.”

Again, when Joe slips a EO under the door - I'll see you at CVS.

I think it's cute you think the Feds are powerless.

to make necessary measures “to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the States or possessions, or from one State or possession into any other State or possession.”

So which one of these purposes does this vaccine aid in? It hasn’t stopped variants from arising, it hasn’t limited transmission (5 in my family have had Covid, the 3 of us unvaxed got it from the 2 vaxed in our respective households) and it hasn’t stopped the spread. Hell, it hasn’t even slowed the number deaths. The total number of deaths being higher in 2021 than 2020 are magnified when given the fact that we already wiped out a chunk of the most vulnerable, we have exponentially more natural immunity and we have 60%+ of our population vaxed. So there’s undoubtedly been more deaths from a smaller pool of at risk individuals.

 

[whodeycin85]

I see.

So you believe that a business owes employment without condition?

Tell me, in your opinion should a baker be legally compelled to bake and sell a wedding cake to a gay couple?

Is it OK for a business to forbid their health care insurance company from providing certain prescription medications?

No one owes employment.....a buisness is for providing good and services and making profit...therefore once an individual gets a buisness license, any individal rights are no longer valid in running the buisness...your buisness is not an individual, the owner is and the biz should be held to a different standard...
I think in the 1st scenarios the buisness should have provided the goods and services...if you can't keep personal beliefs out of a buisness transaction, you shouldnt have a buisness...
As for the insurance portion, no the businees should have no say in what is prescribed between and dr and patient. Health insurance companies shouldnt either..therefore they should provided the goods based on the patient dr decision..just as a pharmacy shouldnas well
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[BP4Prez]

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Bigger than your kid being required to have a tdap to get into public school?

Tdap is an actual vaccine. You know this.

 

[DynaLo]

Great, if the federal requirement that you have to get the vaccine materializes, remind me how the shot in your arm is different than the other vaccines you've been required to get.

This shot doesn’t meet the long standing medical definitions of a vaccine by providing immunity like all those other vaccines, it hasn’t met the same stringent pre-use testing requirements like the other vaccines and none of those other vaccines are issued under an EUA used solely to circumvent the requirements those other vaccines previously met.

Becoming a lab rat test subject should never ever be mandatory.

See the Nuremberg code for further clarification on that if you’re having comprehension difficulty.

 

[lawgator1]

This shot doesn’t meet the long standing medical definitions of a vaccine by providing immunity like all those other vaccines, it hasn’t met the same stringent pre-use testing requirements like the other vaccines and none of those other vaccines are issued under an EUA used solely to circumvent the requirements those other vaccines previously met.

Becoming a lab rat test subject should never ever be mandatory.

See the Nuremberg code for further clarification on that if you’re having comprehension difficulty.

Never let perfection be the enemy of the good.

 

[DynaLo]

The Executive Branch could cite Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (or PHSA), which allows the Department of Health and Human Services or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to make necessary measures “to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the States or possessions, or from one State or possession into any other State or possession.”

Again, when Joe slips a EO under the door - I'll see you at CVS.

I think it's cute you think the Feds are powerless.

It’ll be difficult to use that PHSA Section as a viable legal standing argument with our Southern border wide open and nothing is being done to the illegals streaming across it carrying Covid.
Especially now that it’s been made public that the illegals aren’t mandated to get the shot because Big Pharma has no liability protection from them and is afraid of getting sued over adverse reactions.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Tdap is an actual vaccine. You know this.

Two quick points:

1. The mRNA shots do not meet the criteria for what has been defined as a "vaccine" for many, many years.

2. Manufacturers of all the required "school vaccines" are not protected from legal action should they be found to cause harm.

 

[Septic]

Tdap is an actual vaccine. You know this.

It's still required, which is the only point being posited.

Don't get caught up in the noise - lots of strawmen, slippery slopes and red herrings in here.

When folks roll up their sleeves, it won't matter which branch of government, whether it was local, state or federal - because the needle will still be going in. Just like it has for decades, cries of "overreach!" now are hypocritical.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Two quick points:

1. The mRNA shots do not meet the criteria for what has been defined as a "vaccine" for many, many years.

2. Manufacturers of all the required "school vaccines" are not protected from legal action should they be found to cause harm.

Of course, they recently changed the definition of "vaccine"...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It's still required, which is the only point being posited.

I'm beginning to start to question the need for those other vaccine requirements, as well.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It's still required, which is the only point being posited.

Don't get caught up in the noise - lots of strawmen, slippery slopes and red herrings in here.

When folks roll up their sleeves, it won't matter which branch of government, whether it was local, state or federal - because the needle will still be going in. Just like it has for decades, cries of "overreach!" now are hypocritical.

“Government is government”! I still crack up that you of all people are using that as a rationalizing point .

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[NorthDallas40]

Of course, they recently changed the definition of "vaccine"...

Had the same thought.

 

[Septic]

“Government is government”! I still crack up that you of all people are using that as a rationalizing point .

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

It's bewildering that after numerous dumbed down explanations you still keep insisting there's a difference or distinction in the hypothetical end result.

HAHAHAHAHQAHAHAHAHAHA@!!@!!#$#@!

 

[Septic]

I'm beginning to start to question the need for those other vaccine requirements, as well.

Full Antivaxxer now, no one saw that coming. eyeroll.gif

I hear there are facebook groups that still believe vaccines cause autisim; if you're going to go F.R. - do it right.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It's bewildering that after numerous dumbed down explanations you still keep insisting there's a difference or distinction in the hypothetical end result.

HAHAHAHAHQAHAHAHAHAHA@!!@!!#$#@!

LMFAO at the dumbassery you’re still pushing on this stupid ass rationale

 

[Septic]

LMFAO at the dumbassery you’re still pushing on this stupid ass rationale

That's just it, it's not MY rationale - it's fact. As I've stated (and you keep ignoring), I'm not advocating for requirements, just pointing out the reality of the end result that who orders it doesn't matter.

I used to think you had a little common sense, but you're proving me wrong. Your personal attacks and inability to digest what should be simple for an adult is disappointing.

 

[NorthDallas40]

That's just it, it's not MY rationale - it's fact. As I've stated (and you keep ignoring), I'm not advocating for requirements, just pointing out the reality of the end result that who orders it doesn't matter.

I used to think you had a little common sense, but you're proving me wrong. Your personal attacks and inability to digest what should be simple for an adult is disappointing.

No it isn’t Einstein. “Government is government” is just the opposite of a fact as there are clear divisions of power within the three federal branches as well as federal vs state.

I used to think you had some common sense too until you completely broke down with this stupid ass rationale in defending the idiot in the WH and then keep doubling down on the stupidity because you’re in too deep.