Vaccine or not?

[Jxn Vol]

Some choices are more difficult than others.

Harvey Weinstein.

 

[Vol8188]

Given the massive increase in complications experienced from the 1st shot to the 2nd, I can’t believe anyone is lining up for a 3rd or 4th.

Going off memory but I believe the rate of myocarditis in young men went from .8 per million with the first shot to over 6 per million on the second. Anyone wanting their kid to be one of the 54 per million on the third or 432 per million that we may see on the 4th?

 

[Vol8188]

No one in my house is vaxxed, two adults and two kids. It has nothing to do with “Russians” lol… none of us are in any risk groups regarding age, weight, other health conditions, so I’d simply rather not go have something else injected into our bodies that is simply unnecessary. Throughout this whole deal the past few years, none of us have caught Covid, if we did then I guess we were asymptomatic. Meanwhile, my wife’s cousin is married with 2 children. They are all vaxxed and mask religiously, to the point it’s laughable. They have all had it, and as of last week 2 of the 4 in their household have it again. But, im an idiot for looking at the facts and risks and making a personal decision to respond accordingly? Ok then

lol do they still mask even though they’ve had it and the vaccine?

 

[ButchPlz]

Given the massive increase in complications experienced from the 1st shot to the 2nd, I can’t believe anyone is lining up for a 3rd or 4th.

Going off memory but I believe the rate of myocarditis in young men went from .8 per million with the first shot to over 6 per million on the second. Anyone wanting their kid to be one of the 54 per million on the third or 432 per million that we may see on the 4th?

My parents got their boosters (they're in an age and risk group that made them think they needed them badly) and the following symptoms were so bad that I don't think either will get the next one.

I found out a few days ago a friend of mine from college ended up with Bell's Palsy post-second shot making the number of people I know with vaccine complications (3) outnumber the people I know that have had severe illness from COVID (0).

 

[Vol8188]

That's literally a choice.

You’re okay with this in the middle of historically high numbers of people out of the workforce and companies doing everything they can to find employees?

Do you really think this is the right time to force people to take an experimental vaccine with nearly 20k reported deaths?

I’d prefer we have police forces, staffed hospitals, etc

 

[Vol8188]

My parents got their boosters (they're in an age and risk group that made them think they needed them badly) and the following symptoms were so bad that I don't think either will get the next one.

I found out a few days ago a friend of mine from college ended up with Bell's Palsy post-second shot making the number of people I know with vaccine complications (3) outnumber the people I know that have had severe illness from COVID (0).

Really sorry to hear that. I honestly don’t oppose the vaccine (I got it) or boosters, but I hate that the media refuses to have honest conversations about it

 

[Septic]

You’re okay with this in the middle of historically high numbers of people out of the workforce and companies doing everything they can to find employees?

Do you really think this is the right time to force people to take an experimental vaccine with nearly 20k reported deaths?

I’d prefer we have police forces, staffed hospitals, etc

Unemployment is at 4.2% and employers are begging people to work, paying higher wages to fill menial positions. Not sure what you're on about... If an ee doesn't want the vax and are being required to take it, there's likely a number of other company's and positions that would be happy to have them fill it.

20K deaths out of how many jabs? Please cite your source for the 20k figure that isn't a facebook meme or twitter post.

I'd prefer to have those things to and would suggest that they aren't mutually exclusive with vaccinations.

 

[Septic]

Harvey Weinstein.

This must mean something in your world.

Is this the only feelz inducing strawman you could conjure up?

Life is made of tough choices, nobody owes you a job.

 

[ButchPlz]

Really sorry to hear that. I honestly don’t oppose the vaccine (I got it) or boosters, but I hate that the media refuses to have honest conversations about it

It makes sense for some people, and doesn't for others. Dad and I were talking about people we know that have had COVID- my wife is one of the only people he knows that basically was right back on their feet within a day or two. Everyone else he knows was ill for a week. Meanwhile, my wife is outside the norm for everyone I know because she had more severe symptoms than most.

It all comes down to age of people we're around. For younger people this illness is quite literally nothing. The vaccine has real side effects for a lot of young people. We're living in a society that wants to sacrifice the well being of its young to keep the old safe.

 

[615vols]

lol do they still mask even though they’ve had it and the vaccine?

Yes. They are the ones who you see wearing them driving in their car, anywhere and everywhere in public. She makes a point to take pictures of them masked up, posts about it on fb, etc.
It’s literally like some deity that they serve.

 

[AthensVol2007]

"almost"

Almost everyone beats the flu, almost everyone beats pneumonia, almost everyone beats numerous other rudimentary illnesses while some who are vulnerable don’t. We don’t lose our collective minds over the methods of prevention.

 

[DynaLo]

Have the jab pushers stopped to think that a large number of those refusing the shots have had Covid and now have Natural Immunity or are y’all still ignoring that nugget to peddle the desired narrative and agenda?

 

[Orangeslice13]

My parents got their boosters (they're in an age and risk group that made them think they needed them badly) and the following symptoms were so bad that I don't think either will get the next one.

I found out a few days ago a friend of mine from college ended up with Bell's Palsy post-second shot making the number of people I know with vaccine complications (3) outnumber the people I know that have had severe illness from COVID (0).

I personally know 7 fatalities from Covid. I know many people with lingering side effects including my 26 year old son who has no sense of smell. My neighbor is 54 and has a oxygen tank with her now everywhere she goes. I do not know a single person that had any lingering issues with the vaccine.
All antidotal and not really relevant to the big picture as my world is too small a sample size to draw any real conclusions.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Or maybe not... I mean, what good does it do to get vaxxed?

US Warship Stuck In Port After COVID-19 Outbreak Among "100 Percent Immunized" Crew | ZeroHedge

From the article you linked...

The vaccine continues to demonstrate effectiveness against serious illness.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Have the jab pushers stopped to think that a large number of those refusing the shots have had Covid and now have Natural Immunity or are y’all still ignoring that nugget to peddle the desired narrative and agenda?

There is no evidence to show how long natural immunity lasts, and reinfections have occurred.

 

[Septic]

Almost everyone beats the flu, almost everyone beats pneumonia, almost everyone beats numerous other rudimentary illnesses while some who are vulnerable don’t. We don’t lose our collective minds over the methods of prevention.

"Almost" everyone "he knew" beat covid.

That's not exactly a glowing admission.

 

[norrislakevol]

Yes. They are the ones who you see wearing them driving in their car, anywhere and everywhere in public. She makes a point to take pictures of them masked up, posts about it on fb, etc.
It’s literally like some deity that they serve.

The pandemic is just like a religion to many sadly. I reminds me of the religion of racism that many on the left have as well. No one cares about true science or facts anymore. Those things don't fit their style of worship.

 

[Septic]

I personally know 7 fatalities from Covid. I know many people with lingering side effects including my 26 year old son who has no sense of smell. My neighbor is 54 and has a oxygen tank with her now everywhere she goes. I do not know a single person that had any lingering issues with the vaccine.
All antidotal and not really relevant to the big picture as my world is too small a sample size to draw any real conclusions.

You're well within your rights to trot out anecdotal stats if someone else does.

 

[ButchPlz]

There is no evidence to show how long natural immunity lasts, and reinfections have occurred.

?

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

DEFINE_ME

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

You see, spewing BS is why people doubt the vaccines. People like you have said at various points through all this that they prevent spread (lie), protect from infection (lie), that heart issues are a conspiracy theory (lie), are required to prevent severe illness (lie) and on and on.

There are numerous studies showing natural immunity lasts at least months, with one of the shortfalls in the shorter predictions being that only antibodies are tracked. Meanwhile, study after study is now out showing how the shots and boosters may only offer weeks of protection at a time. Come on.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You're well within your rights to trot out anecdotal stats if someone else does.

There are issues with either decision. Everyone should do what they think is best for themselves. Both extremes of this debate have me shaking my head.

 

[ButchPlz]

There are issues with either decision. Everyone should do what they think is best for themselves. Both extremes of this debate have me shaking my head.

The problem is you are viewing people resisting a vaccine as an "extreme". I have seen nobody here telling people they're idiots for getting it, but plenty on the other side.

 

[norrislakevol]

There is no evidence to show how long natural immunity lasts, and reinfections have occurred.

Your body will not forget a virus it has seen unless you are immune compromised. If a mutation occurs that is different enough that your immune system doesn't recognize, then you can you can become infected with that different strain. The hope is that your body will still react quicker than the first go around so you won't become as ill the second time around.

Most of us catch multiple strands of flu and cold in our lives because all those strands are different enough for our immune systems to not recognize them quickly enough. There are some pretty cool examples over the years of peoples immune systems becoming very hardened over time, other than the obvious one of older people not catching colds frequently because they been exposed to just about every strain in their lifetimes. One great example of this is the H1N1 flu out break about 10 years ago. Older individuals who had been exposed to the 1968 Hong Cong flu showed great resistance to H1N1 because those viruses were so similar. After all those years, their immune systems still were able quickly recognize H1N1 and produce antibodies to fight it. Corona viruses aren't some mystical beings that have magical powers over our immune systems, they are no different.

 

[ButchPlz]

Your body will not forget a virus it has seen unless you are immune compromised. If a mutation occurs that is different enough that your immune system doesn't recognize, then you can you can become infected with that different strain. The hope is that your body will still react quicker than the first go around so you won't become as ill the second time around.

Most of us catch multiple strands of flu and cold in our lives because all those strands are different enough for our immune systems to not recognize them quickly enough. There are some pretty cool examples over the years of peoples immune systems becoming very hardened over time, other than the obvious one of older people not catching colds frequently because they been exposed to just about every strain in their lifetimes. One great example of this is the H1N1 flu out break about 10 years ago. Older individuals who had been exposed to the 1968 Hong Cong flu showed great resistance to H1N1 because those viruses were so similar. After all those years, their immune systems still were able quickly recognize H1N1 and produce antibodies to fight it. Corona viruses aren't some mystical beings that have magical powers over our immune systems, they are no different.

In that H1N1 outbreak I had several acquaintances (college aged) hospitalized or put under medical care of some kind. The older people I knew that were around infected people never got it. It was wild.

 

[norrislakevol]

Almost everyone beats the flu, almost everyone beats pneumonia, almost everyone beats numerous other rudimentary illnesses while some who are vulnerable don’t. We don’t lose our collective minds over the methods of prevention.

Right, it's called being human. People are going to get sick, some will die. It's just the way it is, and it sucks, and life goes on.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

So you'd agree that there's really no more overreach than there has been in the past? In other words, it's always existed but now it's with vary demands or degrees of required compliance.

I think the degree of overreach is pegging out. The medical community has been stepping into my life more aggressively over the last 15 years. I don’t think it’s like it was before you left. I see far more invasive policies now from all institutions of health, it’s become insidious. They continue to narrow down those who don’t acquiesce unquestioningly to any demands.

Take the jab or work is pretty extreme overreach. We do have USC VII but they can deny you for arbitrary reasons. It was really pretty slick how they did the exemptions by making a contract with an exemption in the middle.