Vaccine or not?

[newyorkvol]

Your body will not forget a virus it has seen unless you are immune compromised. If a mutation occurs that is different enough that your immune system doesn't recognize, then you can you can become infected with that different strain. The hope is that your body will still react quicker than the first go around so you won't become as ill the second time around.

Most of us catch multiple strands of flu and cold in our lives because all those strands are different enough for our immune systems to not recognize them quickly enough. There are some pretty cool examples over the years of peoples immune systems becoming very hardened over time, other than the obvious one of older people not catching colds frequently because they been exposed to just about every strain in their lifetimes. One great example of this is the H1N1 flu out break about 10 years ago. Older individuals who had been exposed to the 1968 Hong Cong flu showed great resistance to H1N1 because those viruses were so similar. After all those years, their immune systems still were able quickly recognize H1N1 and produce antibodies to fight it. Corona viruses aren't some mystical beings that have magical powers over our immune systems, they are no different.

there’s a study that showed people who had sars-cov-1 in the early 2000’s had immune response to Covid 19

 

[norrislakevol]

In that H1N1 outbreak I had several acquaintances (college aged) hospitalized or put under medical care of some kind. The older people I knew that were around infected people never got it. It was wild.

Well there ya go. I lost a 33 year old friend to one of the strains of H1N1. He left behind a wife and 2 young children. All of them had it and recovered except for him.

 

[norrislakevol]

there’s a study that showed people who had sars-cov-1 in the early 2000’s had immune response to Covid 19

Yes, correct. There was a strain of the common cold (a corona virus) that gave some people resistance to the original COVID strain.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Ranked in the top 5! Hell yeah, when’s the last time we were ranked that high?

This season with recruiting in the SEC.

 

[Vol8188]

Unemployment is at 4.2% and employers are begging people to work, paying higher wages to fill menial positions. Not sure what you're on about... If an ee doesn't want the vax and are being required to take it, there's likely a number of other company's and positions that would be happy to have them fill it.

20K deaths out of how many jabs? Please cite your source for the 20k figure that isn't a facebook meme or twitter post.

I'd prefer to have those things to and would suggest that they aren't mutually exclusive with vaccinations.

Yes, begging people to work. Once again, we have a record number of people not participating in the work force and this will worsen that. Which part of that could you possibly disagree with?

I said approximately 20k. The number worldwide is around 18k. For the US it’s over 10k from 15.9m shots, with the majority of those coming from the 2nd shot. Which should obviously raise concerns over the 3rd or 4th.

Only taking the US numbers, that’s roughly 0.06% chance of death. That doesn’t include your odds of myocarditis from the vaccine which you men are more likely to get than they are to be hospitalized with Covid for any reason.

COVID-19 Vaccination

 

[DynaLo]

There is no evidence to show how long natural immunity lasts, and reinfections have occurred.

CDC and NIH both use the terms rare and uncommon in reference to reinfections occurring after obtaining natural immunity from a Covid recovery.

Trust the science, right?

 

[Vol8188]

Tennessee 4th in nation in COVID-19 death rate, unvaccinated 99% of new cases per data

I'm shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU! well.. not really

That’s not correct. We are 8th in death rate and the 99% unvaccinated claim has been shown false previously.

If you look at states by death rate you notice a trend of less white states at the top (MS being number 1). TN is one of the least white states in the union. The issue is probably less about vaccines and more about obesity and vitamin D deficiency

 

[Orangeslice13]

The problem is you are viewing people resisting a vaccine as an "extreme". I have seen nobody here telling people they're idiots for getting it, but plenty on the other side.

I few people mocking those who took the vaccine and posting false data to support it an extreme.
And there has been plenty of the name calling from both sides.
If you don’t see it you’re turning a blind eye to your side

 

[Vol8188]

There is no evidence to show how long natural immunity lasts, and reinfections have occurred.

The claim of none immunosuppressed people getting repeat infections is an unverified one.

But even if true, we’d both have to agree that their death rate would obviously be below that of anyone with their first infection.

If so, what’s the problem? How safe does the world have to be before we allow people to live their lives again?

Between improved knowledge, treatment, vaccines, masks, naturally acquired immunity, and a new less deadly variant, etc you should have plenty of options to protect yourself.

But still the chances of dying from anything (sex, driving, the flu, the shower, etc) is greater than 0. How low does this have to get before you’re willing to let others live as they see fit? Or is that of no importance to you?

How low does this

 

[ButchPlz]

I few people mocking those who took the vaccine and posting false data to support it an extreme.
And there has been plenty of the name calling from both sides.
If you don’t see it you’re turning a blind eye to your side

I'm not turning a blind eye to a "side". There are certainly those that are overboard. But it is exceptionally bizarre that you view people that are deliberately not taking a specific action, that are trying to justify themselves when confronted with very real attacks on their livelihood, etc., as an "extreme".

This has got to be one of the first times in history that people are labeled extreme, or extremists, for not doing something. Calling a side that isn't trying to penalize or attack another side "extreme" is what's idiotic, I'm sorry.

 

[ButchPlz]

The claim of none immunosuppressed people getting repeat infections is an unverified one.

But even if true, we’d both have to agree that their death rate would obviously be below that of anyone with their first infection.

If so, what’s the problem? How safe does the world have to be before we allow people to live their lives again?

Between improved knowledge, treatment, vaccines, masks, naturally acquired immunity, and a new less deadly variant, etc you should have plenty of options to protect yourself.

But still the chances of dying from anything (sex, driving, the flu, the shower, etc) is greater than 0. How low does this have to get before you’re willing to let others live as they see fit? Or is that of no importance to you?

How low does this

Actual science shows reinfection is possible but the chances are extremely, extremely slim.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

The claim of none immunosuppressed people getting repeat infections is an unverified one.

But even if true, we’d both have to agree that their death rate would obviously be below that of anyone with their first infection.

If so, what’s the problem? How safe does the world have to be before we allow people to live their lives again?

Between improved knowledge, treatment, vaccines, masks, naturally acquired immunity, and a new less deadly variant, etc you should have plenty of options to protect yourself.

But still the chances of dying from anything (sex, driving, the flu, the shower, etc) is greater than 0. How low does this have to get before you’re willing to let others live as they see fit? Or is that of no importance to you?

How low does this

I dont care how people live. My stance is this and ill leave it at that; you are safer being vaccinated than not.

 

[Vol8188]

Actual science shows reinfection is possible but the chances are extremely, extremely slim.

If immunocompromised yes.

 

[Vol8188]

I dont care how people live. My stance is this and ill leave it at that; you are safer being vaccinated than not.

Okay…. no one on this board has a problem with that. It’s forcing your opinion on others that’s the issue. Have whatever stance your wish to have, that’s fine.

Our issue is with the oppression of the unvaccinated, suppression of facts about the vaccine, and intentional changing of language regarding vaccination

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Okay…. no one on this board has a problem with that. It’s forcing your opinion on others that’s the issue. Have whatever stance your wish to have, that’s fine.

Our issue is with the oppression of the unvaccinated, suppression of facts about the vaccine, and intentional changing of language regarding vaccination

Im not forcing anything on anyone.

 

[Vol8188]

Im not forcing anything on anyone.

So you oppose Biden’s vaccine mandates? Will you be voting against him?

What about NY and their mandates that prevent people from eating (disproportionately black citizens) at restaurants for example?

That’s the force we are talking about.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

So you oppose Biden’s vaccine mandates? Will you be voting against him?

What about NY and their mandates that prevent people from eating (disproportionately black citizens) at restaurants for example?

That’s the force we are talking about.

I have nothing to do with that. I'm just a dude in Kingsport posting in a college football message board.

 

[AthensVol2007]

That’s not correct. We are 8th in death rate and the 99% unvaccinated claim has been shown false previously.

If you look at states by death rate you notice a trend of less white states at the top (MS being number 1). TN is one of the least white states in the union. The issue is probably less about vaccines and more about obesity and vitamin D deficiency

It’s undeniably the last sentence. MS is the worst state for deaths while also being the state with the highest levels of obesity and diabetes; the two most closely correlated underlying conditions for severity/death.

 

[AthensVol2007]

I have nothing to do with that. I'm just a dude in Kingsport posting in a college football message board.

Now you “shut up and dribble” Bron Bron?

 

[Vol8188]

It’s undeniably the last sentence. MS is the worst state for deaths while also being the state with the highest levels of obesity and diabetes; the two most closely correlated underlying conditions for severity/death.

It’s also one of if not the blackest state in America. Meaning vitamin d deficiency becomes a bigger concern

 

[Vol8188]

I have nothing to do with that. I'm just a dude in Kingsport posting in a college football message board.

Sure you do. If the vast majority of the left opposed these things, politicians would not be doing them.

You keep ignoring the question. Do you support those things previously mentioned? Banning people from public places and federal mandates?

 

[kiddiedoc]

Anyone wanting their kid to be one of the 54 per million on the third or 432 per million that we may see on the 4th?

Actually the risk in children is already much higher after just the "original" two doses. This is from Pfizer's EUA report on 5-11 year olds:

 

[Vol8188]

Now you “shut up and dribble” Bron Bron?

It’s cute to watch him hide when he knows he’s lost

 

[Vol8188]

Actually the risk in children is already much higher after just the "original" two doses. This is from Pfizer's EUA report on 5-11 year olds:

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Thank you. Your opinion is one I was curious about here. I’m studying to become a PA, but obvious your knowledge of medicine in general and experience are well above my own.

May I ask what treatment regimen you recommend for pts who do contract Covid?

 

[ButchPlz]

Sure you do. If the vast majority of the left opposed these things, politicians would not be doing them.

You keep ignoring the question. Do you support those things previously mentioned? Banning people from public places and federal mandates?

"I don't care how people live, but if they don't live how I think they should I'm fine with them having their lives destroyed. After all, they have a choice- they could choose to live how I want!"