Vaccine or not?

[Orangeslice13]

India, Africa, Japan and all of these other anecdotal cases says otherwise.

That’s called unproven. It’s been proven that the C and Zink given with the ivermectin is actually what helped

 

[Orangeslice13]

Its funny you mention that because for some reason, one of the sickest people I know has been able to dodge COVID this entire time and they are prescribed Plaquenil. Could be coincidence maybe... but I know they have a weakened immune system and have other comorbidities. If they manage to make it past this winter, it might be something to it.

The red women is on plaquenil for another issue. Believe me when I say I wish it worked but it hasn’t passed any study

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

And this isn’t true.
There are tons of articles about the study being proformed when it was announced in June. If there was a positive result then it would have been everywhere

OK, slice.

 

[whodeycin85]

For the love of god.

They were reported deaths from those that had the vaccine, for all manners of death. This is fundamentally different from your assertion that 20k died from the vaccine.

If a guy was vaccinated and got hit by a bus, he was one of the 14k that was reported by VAERS it literally states that the numbers included EVERYONE that died under the section title "Reporting Even Unrelated Deaths."

It's astonishing that you can't reconcile this singular point after being hand held to the finish line.

I refuse to believe anyone's reading comprehension is this absurdly poor.

If same guy had covid and got killed by a bus. It was a covid death... funny the cdc and fda have different reporting standard fire covid and vax

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If same guy had covid and got killed by a bus. It was a covid death... funny the cdc and fda have different reporting standard fire covid and vax

Leave old Septic alone. Seeing him embarrass himself is awesome. He is EL level dumb.

 

[Septic]

If same guy had covid and got killed by a bus. It was a covid death... funny the cdc and fda have different reporting standard fire covid and vax

I don't think the fda or the cdc classified them - it was up to the hospitals and physicians that were reportedly incentivized with higher compensation for reporting a death as covid related.

None of that however changes my point or helps @Vol8188

 

[Septic]

Leave old Septic alone. Seeing him embarrass himself is awesome. He is EL level dumb.

Bot, I always appreciate you chiming in between your scooby doo marathons and crayon eating activity's.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You want ivermectin? Ask your doctor. You want HCQ? Ask your doctor. Your doctor says no? Go shopping for one who says yes.

If your doctor says no, that simply means they won't prescribe it. Not that they're morons, or bought and sold by Big Pharma (which does exist and can suck a big fat diesel tailpipe during the exhaust phase), or some other anger-laced epithet. It just means they won't prescribe it. Move on.

Don't be like the families of hospital patients dictating that nurses and doctors will prescribe specific treatments. Doctors and hospitals aren't Starbucks or Burger King.

I think these people were probably just like me before a few months ago. You have told your tales of all the medical treatments and things you went through, so you are familiar with how this works far more than the average person. Most people are not aware of these limitations until that time comes.

And I've also told the story several times of the troubles this one guy had of getting his prescription filled this summer before he having to go across state to get it filled. Either you guys are gaslighting or just have no idea how hard it is to get these drugs.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Have a nice night. I was just looking for a conversation and you go all *******.

Yes, you’re a bastion of rational conversation.
******* is what conversation between you and I have devolved into.

 

[whodeycin85]

I don't think the fda or the cdc classified them - it was up to the hospitals and physicians that were reportedly incentivized with higher compensation for reporting a death as covid related.

None of that however changes my point or helps @Vol8188

Shouldn't the same standard be applied to all death with covid vax?

 

[Orangeslice13]

OK, slice.

Don’t take that tone with me! I’ll slap you silly

Good night my friend, I’m moving on to lighter conversations elsewhere. Probably involving my inability to fish.

 

[Septic]

Shouldn't the same standard be applied to all death with covid vax?

Are you suggesting that two wrongs make a right?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That’s called unproven. It’s been proven that the C and Zink given with the ivermectin is actually what helped

Then what is Japan looking at to where they still include Ivermectin?

 

[AshG]

Either you guys are gaslighting or just have no idea how hard it is to get these drugs.

I definitely fall into the second category. I've been lucky that even with all of my crazy medical mess, my medicines are really pretty common. I have to give my new pharmacy a couple days lead time to order my blood thinner, but that's it.

One of my friends with a lupus-adjacent syndrome had a month from hell when no one could get Plaquenil in stock because of hoarding last year. That's as close as I've come to knowing anyone personally affected by this mess.

And I have such a lingering distrust of Big Pharma that I'm absolutely sure every pharmacy and hospital in America will be overstocked on Pfizer's new therapeutic while monoclonal antibodies are still ridiculously hard to find.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Don’t take that tone with me! I’ll slap you silly

Good night my friend, I’m moving on to lighter conversations elsewhere. Probably involving my inability to fish.

Interesting... been photoshopping again.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Then what is Japan looking at to where they still include Ivermectin?

Lol
Can’t speculate on what they’re doing in Japan until someone presents data.

 

[whodeycin85]

Are you suggesting that two wrongs make a right?

I'm suggesting it should be reported the same
... and given the cdc and fda accept those death, then they should as well for vax deaths, given they very clearly stated they can't verify those vax deaths
..
Here is another bit of info for you


If the 6% she states is true(which. Gov will never admit) that would put vax and covid only deaths damn near identical..

 

[Orangeslice13]

Interesting... been photoshopping again.

No, I’m all about the truth.
When I catch the smallest possible trout I brag about it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

One of my friends with a lupus-adjacent syndrome had a month from hell when no one could get Plaquenil in stock because of hoarding last year. That's as close as I've come to knowing anyone personally affected by this mess.

Yeah, I remember that period. But that was a supply/demand disruption. The roadblocks and difficulties I'm talking about are simply doctors not prescribing it or pharmacies not filling the prescription.

And then we wonder why people are going to Tractor Supply...

 

[Vol8188]

LOL ok.

Perhaps your evidence of that can be found on @Vol8188 list of nutty websites that make sh*t up.

What was made up about anything I posted?

 

[Septic]

No, I’m all about the truth.
When I catch the smallest possible trout I brag about it. View attachment 423642

You caught bait. Now butterfly it, put it on a bigger hook and throw it back.

Keep upgrading.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That’s called unproven. It’s been proven that the C and Zink given with the ivermectin is actually what helped

Oh, and the people I know that self-prescribed their own Ivermectin I'm sure didn't take any zinc or vitamin along with it... or at least very few of them likely did. Talking around 2 dozen people.

 

[Septic]

What was made up about anything I posted?

I've moved on, I'm done holding your hand.

 

[Vol8188]

For the love of god.

They were reported deaths from those that had the vaccine, for all manners of death. This is fundamentally different from your assertion that 20k died from the vaccine.

If a guy was vaccinated and got hit by a bus, he was one of the 14k that was reported by VAERS, it literally states that the numbers included EVERYONE that died under the section title "Reporting Even Unrelated Deaths."

It's astonishing that you can't reconcile this singular point after being hand held to the finish line.

I refuse to believe anyone's reading comprehension is this absurdly poor.

Okay so can we agree that 18k people have been reported as dying within x days of vaccination?

Your problem is instead of admitting this is factual you want to argue the validity of the data. We can have that conversation only after you accept that data itself is real.

How can we discuss how many of those deaths were due to the vaccine if you pretend this is fake news?

 

[Vol8188]

I've moved on, I'm done holding your hand.

That’s fine. Your dishonesty was getting old. It’s pathetic really