Vaccine or not?

#15,701
#15,701
Septic said:
Say 100k, 500k a gazillion it's irrelevant. You've still yet to cite a source for your assertion that the vaccine was responsible for the deaths of 20k.

Peace out bro, maybe someone else can explain where you're going wrong. Apparently simple words and repetition don't work for you.
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So even when I finish downloading this data set, it doesn’t matter? That’s what I assumed considering the 14k in November also didn’t matter
 
#15,702
#15,702
Vol8188 said:
So “conjuring it up” is not “lying”? It’s funny you call me intellectually dishonest while trying to claim that I’m not a liar but I “conjure things up”

Obviously your evidence you cited agreed with my claim.
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I apologize for assuming your numbers were conjured up, in the future I'll assume you're just not smart enough to understand what you're talking about and that your assertions aren't based on intentional lies but rather you're limited understanding of the subject matter.
 
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#15,703
#15,703
Septic said:
I apologize for assuming your numbers were conjured up, in the future I'll assume you're just not smart enough to understand what you're talking about and that your assertions aren't based on intentional lies but rather you're limited understanding of the subject matter.
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You've got to be careful with people who believe that simply replying to them means that you've accepted their data as true. It's maddening.
 
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#15,705
Septic said:
I apologize for assuming your numbers were conjured up, in the future I'll assume you're just not smart enough to understand what you're talking about and that your assertions aren't based on intentional lies but rather you're limited understanding of the subject matter.
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So we agree the numbers are real? That I’m not making up nearly 20k reported deaths? It’s amazing how dishonest you’ve been about this. But it’s never mattered because the number never mattered to you. All you’ve accomplished is wasting both our time by pretending I’m a liar and then being dishonest about what I said

Here’s the website for downloading the data sets. I can’t share a file this large on here.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/eSubDownload/verification

Here’s a website that breaks that raw data down claiming 19k:

VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 11/19/2021 – VAERS Analysis

And your own source claimed 14k
 
#15,706
#15,706
AshG said:
You've got to be careful with people who believe that simply replying to them means that you've accepted their data as true. It's maddening.
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You didn’t mention that aspect, so I asked to clarify. It’s cute how upset that made you though.

You also never responded to my question (or I missed it). If p(of dying after a vaccine)<0.001 is insignificant, does that you consider Covid deaths under 18 insignificant? They do meet the criteria.
 
#15,712
#15,712
Vol8188 said:
So we agree the numbers are real? That I’m not making up nearly 20k reported deaths? It’s amazing how dishonest you’ve been about this. But it’s never mattered because the number never mattered to you. All you’ve accomplished is wasting both our time by pretending I’m a liar and then being dishonest about what I said

Here’s the website for downloading the data sets. I can’t share a file this large on here.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/eSubDownload/verification

Here’s a website that breaks that raw data down claiming 19k:

VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 11/19/2021 – VAERS Analysis

And your own source claimed 14k
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You might get something out of this.

You asked, we answered: Does VAERS list deaths caused by COVID-19 vaccines?
 
#15,714
#15,714
Vol8188 said:
So we agree the numbers are real? That I’m not making up nearly 20k reported deaths? It’s amazing how dishonest you’ve been about this. But it’s never mattered because the number never mattered to you. All you’ve accomplished is wasting both our time by pretending I’m a liar and then being dishonest about what I said

Here’s the website for downloading the data sets. I can’t share a file this large on here.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/eSubDownload/verification

Here’s a website that breaks that raw data down claiming 19k:

VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 11/19/2021 – VAERS Analysis

And your own source claimed 14k
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LOL, I agree that the numbers you want to believe are believed by you. I also believe you have no earthly idea how to use the data you've been provided in any way that's even remotely accurate or congruent with reality.

Again, as stated by many VAERS is the wikipedia of medical reporting. It was once a useful tool but as was noted, a physician reported the flu vaccine turned him into the hulk just to show how shi**ty the system was.

VAERS cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something. The CDC states this clearly in their disclaimer: "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination." The disclaimer continues, "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable."

Any attempt to discern or boil down the data for you to cherry pick isn't as convincing when you keep trotting out websites that claim to show deaths, when the portal "cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something"
 
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#15,716
#15,716
Septic said:
You're A) unwittingly making my point for me and B) what deaths from the vaccine?

So far no ones shown any evidence there is any correlation. Only claims.
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Because they’re summarily dismissed. The 49 year old journalist who just received his booster right before Christmas and died the next day from a heart attack; it’ll be labeled coincidental. Meanwhile the 20 something year old in Orlando wrecks his motorcycle driving 100+ and posthumously tests positive for Covid and the coroner in black and white print says they can’t exclude that Covid might have led to a stroke or heart attack causing him to lose control and he’s instantly labeled a Covid death (WTF are we testing the deceased from a vehicular accident for Covid to begin with?).

The 39 year old Utah woman who died 4 days after her 2nd dose from blood clots and a liver shutting down? The 17 and 34 year olds in Washington state who died 4 weeks and 8 days, respectively, after receiving the 2nd dose from heart attacks. The 37 year old in Washington state who died a week and half after her 2nd dose from blood clots.

These are 4 cases, so anecdotal understood, but there appears to be a pattern in the deaths of the younger demographic from or AFTER the vaccine; heart and blood clotting issues.

“Health experts caution that a person dying shortly after being inoculated does not mean vaccine caused that person’s death. Federal health officials say they found “no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths” in the cases reported to the database after COVID-19 inoculations.”

“A woman in her 30s received the Moderna vaccine from a private distributor and died in February. The fourth description appears to match the Feb. 5 death of a 39-year-old Ogden woman whose family wrote in her obituary that she died “from apparent complications due to the 2nd COVID-19 vaccination.”

Above example of a government health department, the same people cramming vaccination down our throat, dismissing any correlation between the vaccine and an unexpected death 4 days later. The Utah woman also just coincidentally happened to wind up sick in bed the 3 days preceding her death, starting with the day after receiving the vaccine. Forgive me for being skeptical of what government bodies, or individuals, with vested interests have to say with regards to vaccine safety.
 
#15,718
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AthensVol2007 said:
Because they’re summarily dismissed. The 49 year old journalist who just received his booster right before Christmas and died the next day from a heart attack; it’ll be labeled coincidental. Meanwhile the 20 something year old in Orlando wrecks his motorcycle driving 100+ and posthumously tests positive for Covid and the coroner in black and white print says they can’t exclude that Covid might have led to a stroke or heart attack causing him to lose control and he’s instantly labeled a Covid death (WTF are we testing the deceased from a vehicular accident for Covid to begin with?).

The 39 year old Utah woman who died 4 days after her 2nd dose from blood clots and a liver shutting down? The 17 and 34 year olds in Washington state who died 4 weeks and 8 days, respectively, after receiving the 2nd dose from heart attacks. The 37 year old in Washington state who died a week and half after her 2nd dose from blood clots.

These are 4 cases, so anecdotal understood, but there appears to be a pattern in the deaths of the younger demographic from or AFTER the vaccine; heart and blood clotting issues.

“Health experts caution that a person dying shortly after being inoculated does not mean vaccine caused that person’s death. Federal health officials say they found “no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths” in the cases reported to the database after COVID-19 inoculations.”

“A woman in her 30s received the Moderna vaccine from a private distributor and died in February. The fourth description appears to match the Feb. 5 death of a 39-year-old Ogden woman whose family wrote in her obituary that she died “from apparent complications due to the 2nd COVID-19 vaccination.”

Above example of a government health department, the same people cramming vaccination down our throat, dismissing any correlation between the vaccine and an unexpected death 4 days later. The Utah woman also just coincidentally happened to wind up sick in bed the 3 days preceding her death, starting with the day after receiving the vaccine. Forgive me for being skeptical of what government bodies, or individuals, with vested interests have to say with regards to vaccine safety.
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Ok.

Are you asking me if I think that non covid related deaths ought not be reported as covid deaths just to get a little more cash from the fed?

Sure, I'm with you.

Still, this doesn't have anything to do with what's being discussed.
 
#15,719
#15,719
Septic said:
LOL, I agree that the numbers you want to believe are believed by you. I also believe you have no earthly idea how to use the data you've been provided in any way that's even remotely accurate or congruent with reality.

Again, as stated by many VAERS is the wikipedia of medical reporting. It was once a useful tool but as was noted, a physician reported the flu vaccine turned him into the hulk just to show how shi**ty the system was.

VAERS cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something. The CDC states this clearly in their disclaimer: "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination." The disclaimer continues, "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable."

Any attempt to discern or boil down the data for you to cherry pick isn't as convincing when you keep trotting out websites that claim to show deaths, when the portal "cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something"
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By that standard we should discount all Covid 19 deaths, because reported deaths cannot and does not determine whether a virus caused something.
 
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Vol8188 said:
By that standard we should discount all Covid 19 deaths, because reported deaths cannot and does not determine whether a virus caused something.
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Would that make you feel better about this?

Don’t Fall for the ‘VAERS Scare’ Tactic

Take-home message:
-VAERS is an American reporting system to keep track of unfavourable or unintended events that take place after vaccination, like a fever or a rash, and that may (or may not) have been caused by the vaccine
-Anti-vaxxers routinely publicize reports from VAERS as if they are proof that a vaccine is causing clear harm
-On its own, VAERS cannot be used to conclude anything, but it can tip off experts that a particular safety signal might be real and deserves to be further studied
 
#15,721
#15,721
Septic said:
Would that make you feel better about this?
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You being honest would’ve made this a lot better. We could have actually had a conversation about the validity of the data, but you were too busy denying the existence of the data
 
#15,722
#15,722
Vol8188 said:
You being honest would’ve made this a lot better. We could have actually had a conversation about the validity of the data, but you were too busy denying the existence of the data
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I denied the existence of reliable data, and I still do. You can't just crap in your hand, throw it against the wall, call it "data" and hope to not be challenged on the fact it doesn't stink.
 
#15,723
#15,723
Septic said:
I denied the existence of reliable data, and I still do. You can't just crap in your hand, throw it against the wall, call it "data" and hope to not be challenged on the fact it doesn't stink.
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We can dispute how reliable it is, but the issue was you pretended it didn’t exist. That this data was only real according to far rights sources and that I made it up out of thin out.
 
#15,725
#15,725
Septic said:
Would that make you feel better about this?

Don’t Fall for the ‘VAERS Scare’ Tactic

Take-home message:
-VAERS is an American reporting system to keep track of unfavourable or unintended events that take place after vaccination, like a fever or a rash, and that may (or may not) have been caused by the vaccine
-Anti-vaxxers routinely publicize reports from VAERS as if they are proof that a vaccine is causing clear harm
-On its own, VAERS cannot be used to conclude anything, but it can tip off experts that a particular safety signal might be real and deserves to be further studied
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"These are not the droids you are looking for..."
 
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