Vaccine or not?

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Vol8188 said:
Requiring vaccine records for any company with more than 100 employees is absolutely new and is disgusting. If you fear Covid, protecting yourself is your responsibility, not that of the world. In the early days of the pandemic before N95s were as available, when we didn’t know how to treat it, and when we had no clue how high survival rates would be, the authoritarian nonsense you seem to support had more validity. It has none now.

But let’s stop with the circles and get to the point. You’re okay with people losing the job they use to feed their children and put a roof over their heads, unless they accept your authoritarian demands?

If so, that’s truly sickening.
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So.... Your kids won't go to public school?
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Well, personally I got the chickenpox vaccine as a kid. But I had to get boosters every few months.

And I still ended up with the chickenpox! So I got more boosters. Got chickenpox again. So I got more boosters. What’s even crazier, all the people around me that got the vaccine, they were getting boosters and still getting chickenpox. Just vaccinated people spreading chickenpox like crazy to other vaccinated people.

Said no one ever.

Good night boys. Have at it.
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Imagine if we had breakthrough polio cases...
 
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Septic said:
So.... Your kids won't go to public school?
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Already answered that did I not? No. My child will go to private schools. Specifically a Catholic school for high school (possibly middle too) and a Montessori school prior to that.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Well, personally I got the chickenpox vaccine as a kid. But I had to get boosters every few months.

And I still ended up with the chickenpox! So I got more boosters. Got chickenpox again. So I got more boosters. What’s even crazier, all the people around me that got the vaccine, they were getting boosters and still getting chickenpox. Just vaccinated people spreading chickenpox like crazy to other vaccinated people.

Said no one ever.

Good night boys. Have at it.
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I didn’t even know that (chicken pox vaccine) was a thing until about 5 year ago. Apparently I just missed that vaccine. I’m 33
 
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Vol8188 said:
No deflection at all. I did not create this dichotomy you and your side did.

People require jobs to feed their family. You support forcing people to either get the shot or lose their job, correct?
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You clearly don't understand what a dichotomy is and how what you're presenting is BS. Your argument relies on creating a strawman to topple, I've already told you I don't support it. You acknowledged it and then go on to accuse me of.... supporting a requirement. it's like your attention span goes no further than the immediately prior post.

This is why it's hard to take you seriously. You're terrible at formulating a cogent argument without intentional misrepresentation. It's no wonder you constantly and consistently feel the need to deflect and redirect in every thread you infest.
 
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Septic said:
You clearly don't understand what a dichotomy is and how what you're presenting is BS. Your argument relies on creating a strawman to topple, I've already told you I don't support it. You acknowledged it and then go on to accuse me of.... supporting a requirement. it's like your attention span goes no further than the immediately prior post.

This is why it's hard to take you seriously. You're terrible at formulating a cogent argument without misrepresentation. It's no wonder you constantly and consistently feel the need to deflect and redirect in every thread you infest.
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If I’m misrepresenting your argument, simply state what I have wrong. I have no intent of intentionally doing so.

My opinion of your stance is that you support the requirement for businesses over 100 employees based on your comment about jobs in Florida.

What am I incorrect about?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Already answered that did I not? No. My child will go to private schools. Specifically a Catholic school for high school (possibly middle too) and a Montessori school prior to that.
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No, you hadn't. I'd advise you to get prepared to homeschool your kid.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If I’m misrepresenting your argument, simply state what I have wrong. I have no intent of intentionally doing so.

My opinion of your stance is that you support the requirement for businesses over 100 employees based on your comment about jobs in Florida.

What am I incorrect about?
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I would tell you again that I don't support a requirement, but you'll forget after a post or two and be back to accusing me of it again. Outside of that, you'll sprinkle in some other unrelated topic or non sequitur to distract from the fact you don't understand the false dichotomy you're foisting.
 
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Septic said:
I would tell you again that I don't support a requirement, but you'll forget after a post or two and be back to accusing me of it again. Outside of that, you'll sprinkle in some other unrelated topic or non sequitur to distract from the fact you don't understand the false dichotomy you're foisting.
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When did you tell me the first time? I went back through our messages and do not see it

And no I’m not presenting a false dichotomy. Unless you believe those promoting mandates for businesses with more than 100 employees would not also want to expand that to smaller businesses.
 
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Septic said:
I think it's less acceptable that you create a fear mongering dichotomy of either taking the vaccine or feeding your family/getting a forced abortion.

The vaccine is safe and effective but if you don't want it, don't take it. I'll support that.
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The only thing I can come up with is that you’re talking about bottom two sentences here. But that doesn’t actually address the question of government mandates for businesses. You can still hold that exact stance, while supporting the business mandate from the Biden admin.

“If you don’t want it, don’t take it. I’ll support that. But you’ll also be unemployed”
 
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Vol8188 said:
The only thing I can come up with is that you’re talking about bottom two sentences here. But that doesn’t actually address the question of government mandates for businesses. You can still hold that exact stance, while supporting the business mandate from the Biden admin.

“If you don’t want it, don’t take it. I’ll support that.” But you’ll also be unemployed
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I never said you had to be unemployed. Yet another instance of you misrepresenting my argument.

If you don't want the vaccine, don't get it. I'll support you in any requirement that FORCES you to get a shot.

But that's not what we're talking about. You're conflating having to get a shot with "not feeding your kids" which is BS. There are lots of other jobs that can be had where the hypothetical mandate wouldn't be in play.

You aren't owed a job with who you want to be employed with.

Anyhow, the vaccine is safe and effective, you should consider getting it.
 
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Septic said:
I never said you had to be unemployed. Yet another instance of you misrepresenting my argument.

If you don't want the vaccine, don't get it. I'll support you in any requirement that FORCES you to get a shot.

But that's not what we're talking about. You're conflating having to get a shot with "not feeding your kids" which is BS. There are lots of other jobs that can be had where the hypothetical mandate wouldn't be in play.

You aren't owed a job with who you want to be employed with.

Anyhow, the vaccine is safe and effective, you should consider getting it.
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I have gotten vaccinated. I’m not sure why you believe otherwise.

I was not misrepresenting your argument, only telling you how I read it.

When you say “forces” I’m assuming you mean you’re okay with people losing their jobs. You accuse me of misrepresenting while being intentionally vague.

So do you or do you not support the current federal government mandates regarding vaccines and companies of more than 100 people?

If so, is it fair to assume you’d support similar policies regarding companies under 100 people?

If both of those are true (I’m still not certain based on your answers, and you’ve yet to answer these things directly) then you are in support of forcing people to make the decision to get vaccinated or to feed their family.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I have gotten vaccinated. I’m not sure why you believe otherwise.

I was not misrepresenting your argument, only telling you how I read it.

When you say “forces” I’m assuming you mean you’re okay with people losing their jobs. You accuse me of misrepresenting while being intentionally vague.

So do you or do you not support the current federal government mandates regarding vaccines and companies of more than 100 people?

If so, is it fair to assume you’d support similar policies regarding companies under 100 people?

If both of those are true (I’m still not certain based on your answers, and you’ve yet to answer these things directly) then you are in support of forcing people to make the decision to get vaccinated or to feed their family.
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ok
 
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Septic said:
ok
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So you don’t intend on answering? When you intentionally bold and capitalize the word “force” I’m assuming you’re trying to say the mandate doesn’t force them to do anything.

So do you intend on answering if you support the mandate for companies over 100 employees? Or do you intend on dodging questions and talking in circles for no reason?
 
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volfanhill said:
It's as legitimate as wondering if he died of Covid. We should do that for every death. Or, hear me out, we can make up shat like the anti vax crowd did with Betty White. Odds are neither so act as such.
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You're grouchy. You should go to bed. I asked a question seeing if someone could point me to an answer and all you've done is try and shut down discussion.
 
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volfanhill said:
Special shot? You have no clue what that means
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Are you under the impression I’m proclaiming he died from the vaccine?

You asked why anyone would mention the vaccine and his death. Im saying his last tweet mentioned the “special shot”. Im not claiming he’s talking about the Covid vaccine nor am I claiming anything else. I’m merely explaining why people would mention his death and Covid together in the same sentence
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you under the impression I’m proclaiming he died from the vaccine?

You asked why anyone would mention the vaccine and his death. Im saying his last tweet mentioned the “special shot”. Im not claiming he’s talking about the Covid vaccine nor am I claiming anything else. I’m merely explaining why people would mention his death and Covid together in the same sentence
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There is a lot of speculation. Hence asking to see if anyone knew what was up.
 
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