Vaccine or not?

[AshG]

The 3rd time I’ve posted this.

And you can keep posting it; I'm not replying to you.

 

[DuckInAPen]

None that I am aware of, but there is no public reporting of that.

Thank you, kiddiedoc, for answering my question.

I do know of a recent myocarditis hospitalization.

Do I understand correctly that this was a pediatric myocarditis hospitalization caused or triggered by a COVID vaccine? Are you aware of any children in your area who have been hospitalized due to myocarditis (or another serious ailment) caused or triggered by COVID?

Why do you ask?

In part because I wanted the post to which I had replied to be contextualized by an apples-to-apples comparison, and in part because I have a sincere interest in what you're seeing on the ground in your area, given your profession.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

pretty sure I just had covid again along with most of my family.

Can honestly say it is a joke. I’ve had rougher bouts with the splatter *****.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Thank you, kiddiedoc, for answering my question.



Do I understand correctly that this was a pediatric myocarditis hospitalization caused or triggered by a COVID vaccine? Are you aware of any children in your area who have been hospitalized due to myocarditis (or another serious ailment) caused or triggered by COVID?

Yes, vaccine associated. I am not aware of any myocarditis hospitalizations due to CV infection.

In part because I wanted the post to which I had replied to be contextualized by an apples-to-apples comparison, and in part because I have a sincere interest in what you're seeing on the ground in your area, given your profession.

The driving point is that the risk of CV infection to children is infinitesimally small. We also know that mRNA shots do not prevent catching or transmitting the virus (esp with the new strain). These facts, along with the known risk of myocardial inflammation, yet-unexplained changes in the menstrual cycle/effect on ovaries, clotting issues, GBS, and all the unknowns of the future (autoimmune, malignancy, etc) make it very difficult to justify administering shots the young, healthy population.

 

[Vol8188]

I reply to your queries as worded. If you want direct answers, cut the rambling and ask direct questions.

And you can keep posting it; I'm not replying to you.

I see you’re a man of your word

 

[AshG]

I see you’re a man of your word

Your question wasn't direct. It's rambling and multilayered. It also shows a lack of understanding of basic statistics and an inherent negative bias towards the intended respondent.

 

[Vol8188]

Your question wasn't direct. It's rambling and multilayered. It also shows a lack of understanding of basic statistics and an inherent negative bias towards the intended respondent.

Is Covid statistically significant in terms of its affects on those under 18?

 

[AshG]

Is Covid statistically significant in terms of its affects on those under 18?

I can't figure out what you mean by this (nor could the couple people I asked to help me decipher it).

You may want to read the following, then consider rewording your question.
Statistical significance

 

[VolinWayne]

I can't figure out what you mean by this (nor could the couple people I asked to help me decipher it).

You may want to read the following, then consider rewording your question.
Statistical significance

You made the comment earlier that vaccine injuries in youth is an insignificant statistic. I fairly easily provided a pretty good sized list of healthy young people who died shortly after being vaccinated. I think it's a pretty fair question to now ask you if the number of perfectly healthy youth (no underlying conditions) dying of covid is also an insignificant statistic. It's a fair question but apparantly it is a question that you are not prepared to answer.

 

[Zues1]

If not you’d take the CDC at their word?

Probably not, lol

 

[clarksvol00]

You made the comment earlier that vaccine injuries in youth is an insignificant statistic. I fairly easily provided a pretty good sized list of healthy young people who died shortly after being vaccinated. I think it's a pretty fair question to now ask you if the number of perfectly healthy youth (no underlying conditions) dying of covid is also an insignificant statistic. It's a fair question but apparantly it is a question that you are not prepared to answer.

What is the percentage of perfectly healthy youths dying because of the vaccine? What evidence other than the word of a random website do you have that these individuals were perfectly healthy or had just recieved the vaccine? Is there evidence that that the vaccine caused their deaths? Did they die with the vaccine or from it? This game goes both ways.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I know what effects I have right now and that is I have never had covid, I have not missed work, and that works for me

Effects of myocarditis doesn’t present in some folks for 5 years.

 

[clarksvol00]

Effects of myocarditis doesn’t present in some folks for 5 years.

So when we talk about all the young healthy people that have gotten covid and survived with no problems, they still have a chance of myocarditis showing up in 5 years?

 

[Sea Ray]

None that I am aware of, but there is no public reporting of that. I do know of a recent myocarditis hospitalization.

Why do you ask?

Kiddiedoc:

With Thursday's Supreme Court decision on healthcare workers and the vaccine mandate, does this mean you and your office are now required to get vaccinated? I assume you accept some fed money through either Medicaid or something so my guess is that you would fall under that but I don't know, hence my asking

 

[AshG]

You made the comment earlier that vaccine injuries in youth is an insignificant statistic. I fairly easily provided a pretty good sized list of healthy young people who died shortly after being vaccinated. I think it's a pretty fair question to now ask you if the number of perfectly healthy youth (no underlying conditions) dying of covid is also an insignificant statistic. It's a fair question but apparantly it is a question that you are not prepared to answer.

The answers are not easy. Everyone death - child or adult - is significant in some way, to someone. They should be mourned. But that social emotional significance does not make their passing statistically significant.

 

[BP4Prez]

Wife and kid currently positive. Wife not feeling too hot, says she feels like she has the flu. Little one ran low grade fever for a day, but seems to be back to normal now. I’ve so far avoided.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Keep reading what they tell you and don't try to understand viruses or immunology. The vaccines are not stopping anything, at this point, and there is emerging data that suggests that repeated injection with the (wrong) mRNA may increase the rate of infection due to a "numbing" of the cell response.

“ I will get to the unvaccinated when I can, I will take care of my vaccinated patients first” came out of a fellows mouth this morning after a nurse approached him about a concern.
I thought, if the jab was working you wouldn’t be taking care of vaccinated pts. My second thought was all those vaccinated were suffering from some type of clotting event.

 

[Jxn Vol]

So when we talk about all the young healthy people that have gotten covid and survived with no problems, they still have a chance of myocarditis showing up in 5 years?

Yep. Life isn’t always fair. But I have a choice to not inject something in me that can cause it. The high court says so. So there.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

That was back in May....Keep up
Over 99% Hospitalized 2021 COVID Patients Unvaccinated

We currently have 4 fully jabbed and boosted people on ventilators. Half our covid cases.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Kiddiedoc:

With Thursday's Supreme Court decision on healthcare workers and the vaccine mandate, does this mean you and your office are now required to get vaccinated? I assume you accept some fed money through either Medicaid or something so my guess is that you would fall under that but I don't know, hence my asking

My understanding is that the ruling does not apply to private practices, at this point. I have not heard if my proof of immunity will be accepted at the hospitals where I have privileges and an administrative position.

These are crazy times. I have several friends and colleagues in worse positions than my own. They will be faced with very difficult transitions, and I'm praying for them and their affected patients tonight.

I do know that a number of local specialists are prepared to shift to private practice which will not be allowed to serve Medicaid patients, and this is a blow that most people can't understand.

It won't be an easy night of sleep for many of us.

 

[ohhbother]

My understanding is that the ruling does not apply to private practices, at this point. I have not heard if my proof of immunity will be accepted at the hospitals where I have privileges and an administrative position.

These are crazy times. I have several friends and colleagues in worse positions than my own. They will be faced with very difficult transitions, and I'm praying for them and their affected patients tonight.

I do know that a number of local specialists are prepared to shift to private practice which will not be allowed to serve Medicaid patients, and this is a blow that most people can't understand.

It won't be an easy night of sleep for many of us.

The CMS requirement specifically calls out natural immunity and indicates hospitals cannot accept it. Options are vaccination, religious exemption for a sincerely held belief or medical exemption for a recognized contraindication.

From https://www.cms.gov/files/document/...-care-staff-vaccination-requirements-2021.pdf:

Q: Does the regulation include exemptions for staff that show they have COVID-19 antibodies?
A: No. Staff who have previously had COVID-19 are not exempt from these vaccination requirements. Available evidence indicates that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections. CDC recommends that all people be vaccinated, regardless of their history of symptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Unless you actually see their medical records, you do not know what their admitting diagnosis was, these conversations are so redundant and ridiculous

I see the records, as charge I see all the records. We have fully vaxxed and boosted being admitted to ICU on ventilators. We have them waiting downstairs to be admitted but not enough staff to bring them to ICU. It’s a microcosm of 1 hospital.
I’m hearing the same thing from a major hospital in the area with 500+ beds. They just canceled their elective surgeries due to lack of staffing and are taking surgical staff to use in ICU.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Probably because they're statistically insignificant, and humanity is a panicky, overactive species.

We have been proving that hard core for 2 years now.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

As an EMT Methodist (Oak Ridge) was a frequent stop. They had to shut down an entire floor of the hospital due to understaffing this summer. I’m not sure if it ever reopened but was 100% closed for multiple months.

I imagine most will be too starved for employees to attempt the mandates

We have an entire floor unused. No staffing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You made the comment earlier that vaccine injuries in youth is an insignificant statistic. I fairly easily provided a pretty good sized list of healthy young people who died shortly after being vaccinated. I think it's a pretty fair question to now ask you if the number of perfectly healthy youth (no underlying conditions) dying of covid is also an insignificant statistic. It's a fair question but apparantly it is a question that you are not prepared to answer.

He's gaslighting in his efforts to dodge the question. POS move if you ask me...