Vaccine or not?

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NurseGoodVol said:
I see the records, as charge I see all the records. We have fully vaxxed and boosted being admitted to ICU on ventilators. We have them waiting downstairs to be admitted but not enough staff to bring them to ICU. It’s a microcosm of 1 hospital.
I’m hearing the same thing from a major hospital in the area with 500+ beds. They just canceled their elective surgeries due to lack of staffing and are taking surgical staff to use in ICU.
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Anecdotal...
 
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AshG said:
The answers are not easy. Everyone death - child or adult - is significant in some way, to someone. They should be mourned. But that social emotional significance does not make their passing statistically significant.
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I agree with everything but the last part that you said. So what would be a statistically significant number in your opinion in regards to VAERS in our youth knowing what we now know about healthy young people not dying of covid. Is your determining factor of statistically significant when mainstream media starts to report on VAERS?

The only reason that I post these cases is because a very large percentage of the population does not even know that these cases exist. Parents need to be informed of the risks involved with innoculating healthy children to protect their children from something that simply won't harm them. What's even crasier is the places who are actually mandating this for kids.
 
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LouderVol said:
Covid has been around for 5 years?
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I'm checking on that statement right now. I've found this snippet that is rather interesting:

While we often associate cardiovascular conditions with elderly populations, myocarditis can affect anyone, including young adults, children and infants. In fact, it most often affects otherwise healthy, young, athletic types with the high-risk population being those of ages from puberty through their early 30’s, affecting males twice as often as females. Myocarditis is the 3rd leading cause of Sudden Death in children and young adults.


Understanding Myocarditis – Myocarditis Foundation
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If we had long term data and research on the vaccine, we could more clearly answer that.
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My point was that we don't have that long term data for @Jxn Vol 's claim on the vaccine or people who actually got the virus (and we won't for three more years), yet he's using this claim as a problem with the vaccine only. If it's a potential concern for young healthy people with the vaccine why isn't it for those who got the virus?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Variants.
That’s still true among the original strains
Still above 85% for delta.

It’s a tad ignorant to expect the various strains that evolved to be anticipated. This is more or less like the flu vaccine that completely missed this years prominent strains


This all or nothing approach both sides are implying is just silly
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Then it should have never been called a "vaccine" and the definition of "vaccine" should've never been changed on the CDC website.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
My point was that we don't have that long term data for @Jxn Vol 's claim on the vaccine or people who actually got the virus (and we won't for three more years), yet he's using this claim as a problem with the vaccine only. If it's a potential concern for young healthy people with the vaccine why isn't it for those who got the virus?
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Why won't we have the data on the vaccine for another 3 years?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I don't care if you get the shot or not. I just thought your statement was suspect. So there.
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It isn’t hard to look up facts about myocarditis. Use your googler. The main irrefutable point is there is no way to get post vaccine myocarditis if you don’t get the shot. If folks get it from a virus(any virus) then that’s just the way it is. It all boils down to where you stand on long term safety data for the vaccine and how afraid of the virus you are.

If you let the mainstream media guide you then you will most likely become a Pfizer pincushion.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
My understanding is that the ruling does not apply to private practices, at this point. I have not heard if my proof of immunity will be accepted at the hospitals where I have privileges and an administrative position.

These are crazy times. I have several friends and colleagues in worse positions than my own. They will be faced with very difficult transitions, and I'm praying for them and their affected patients tonight.

I do know that a number of local specialists are prepared to shift to private practice which will not be allowed to serve Medicaid patients, and this is a blow that most people can't understand.

It won't be an easy night of sleep for many of us.
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Thanks for that answer. Please continue to keep us posted. My opinion is that they'll not recognize natural immunity just because that's the gist I've gotten from this administration and Fauci from the get go. Even the NCAA only accepts natural immunity up to 90 days, far short of your personal timeline
 
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clarksvol00 said:
My point was that we don't have that long term data for @Jxn Vol 's claim on the vaccine or people who actually got the virus (and we won't for three more years), yet he's using this claim as a problem with the vaccine only. If it's a potential concern for young healthy people with the vaccine why isn't it for those who got the virus?
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I feel like it is a concern for both. If you can completely eliminate one of those concerns, why wouldn't you?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
No surprise you're enjoying the modern day country that looks like 1930's Germany. I'm sure you enjoy the 70 year old women being yanked around by cops down there too that's trying to eat.
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Nobody forced Djokovic to go to Australia and lie repeatedly about his situation. I actually don't think he recently had covid. He applied for the exemption based on recently having had covid on December 10th. That was BEFORE he got his qualifying case of covid (December 16th). Then the German magazine (Der Spiegel) pulls his test off a database and it's negative, only to a few hours later magically become positive. He was interacting maskless with people in Serbia while supposedly being positive. I think he knew all along somebody (whether the government of Serbia or some contact in the testing office) would give him a positive test result, regardless of what it actually showed. Hell, he probably didn't even get the nose swab for it. All this because he didn't want to do the right thing (getting jabbed). So yeah, I'm happy he's going through some things in Australia.
 
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AshG said:
This article best describes statistical significance as related to the issue at hand:

When the Alpha is the Omega: P-Values, “Substantial Evidence,” and the 0.05 Standard at FDA.
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I'll highlight a few of my concerns which I found in the article that you attached. These are areas that I personally feel have been neglected.

Specifically, the application had to include “full reports of investigations which have been made to show whether or not such drug is safe for use.”6 These investigations had to “include adequate tests by all methods reasonably applicable” to demonstrate safety.

The IND application detailed therein included a description of the three phases of trials that were expected: phase 1 on a small number of healthy subjects to determine dose, short-term toxicity, and pharmacological action; phase 2 on a limited number of patients with, or at-risk for, the target condition to determine proof of concept of efficacy; and separate, larger clinical trials in phase 3 to assess drug safety and effectiveness. Initial protocols, including investigator names and qualifications, approximate number of subjects, trial inclusion/exclusion criteria, and trial duration, were expected to be included in this application.26

Meticulous record-keeping, however, was mandated. Additionally, FDA required monitoring of each trial to regularly evaluate safety and effectiveness. Specific language did concur with the statutory language requiring “investigations” (plural), by noting that phase 3 “is conducted by separate groups following the same protocol.”28
 
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