Vaccine or not?

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Even assuming, for argument's sake, that risk of myocarditis induced by vaccine is higher than risk of myocarditis induced by covid, covid can have adverse effects beyond myocarditis, like long covid, lung damage, increased chance of diabetes, spread to others, etc.
 
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evillawyer said:
Even assuming, for argument's sake, that risk of myocarditis induced by vaccine is higher than risk of myocarditis induced by covid, covid can have adverse effects beyond myocarditis, like long covid, lung damage, increased chance of diabetes, spread to others, etc.
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The odds of any of those are insanely slim. I’d rather take my chances.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Okay. So we agree he’s correct about myocarditis being more likely from vaccines?
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From the study you posted:

Importantly, we also demonstrated that across the entire vaccinated population in England, the
risk of myocarditis following vaccination was small compared to the risk following a positive
severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) test [1].
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Also its worth noting that the study you linked was in a different country than the US, and vaccination guidelines are different.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You see the problem here right? And how if what you’re saying is true, then only 22% of people are “vaccinated” yet they compromise 30% of the cases you referenced
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CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, MD, said Jan. 5 that the agency has no plans to require a booster shot for people to be considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19. "Individuals are considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 if they've received their primary series. That definition is not changing," Dr.Jan 6, 2022
 
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Vjcvette said:
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, MD, said Jan. 5 that the agency has no plans to require a booster shot for people to be considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19. "Individuals are considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 if they've received their primary series. That definition is not changing," Dr.Jan 6, 2022
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You’re the one who provided the definition that involved a booster.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If that’s correct then your 70% unvaccinated number isn’t very impressive. You get that right?

That would mean only 22% of our population (75/330) have a booster yet they represent 30% of the ICU population that you posted earlier.

So were you posting that as an example that vaccines don’t work?
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• Based on evidence from clinical trials in people 16 years and older, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
From the study you posted:



Also its worth noting that the study you linked was in a different country than the US, and vaccination guidelines are different.
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That’s for the population as a whole. But when you sort by age and sex, the incident of myocarditis in men under 40 was greater than that from the vaccine
 
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Vjcvette said:
• Based on evidence from clinical trials in people 16 years and older, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected.
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I like how you keep digging this deeper for yourself. The vaccine in no ways is 95% effective ge at preventing the virus. That’s an insanely outdated number.
 
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