Vaccine or not?

[MAD]

Great to see a company assume all responsibility in the event someone has an adverse reaction.

It’s nothing new, a lot of companies have required Flu Vaccine’s for years, nobody is forcing anyone, if they don’t like it, go work somewhere else.

 

[Vjcvette]

Wait.

I thought @Vjcvette was a Nurse?

Not a nurse, never have been a nurse and have never said that I was a nurse

 

[Vol8188]

Lol, is that what's happening?

It’s a country that literally has the unvaccinated on house arrest. To be fair it’s worse than our American concept of house arrest, because we still allow those people to work

 

[Vol8188]

It’s nothing new, a lot of companies have required Flu Vaccine’s for years, nobody is forcing anyone, if they don’t like it, go work somewhere else.

So you don’t support Biden’s attempts to force business to vaccinate people? That view can’t coexist with “go work somewhere else”

 

[Septic]

Where have I argued that elected Dems don't have to follow existing law? I'll wait ....

Dude, don't bother... He invents arguments and struts around like he's got the high ground. It's unbelievable, even when you point it out how ridiculous his accusations, ginned up arguments and strawmen are - he ignores it and keeps on going. It's not malice, he just has zero self awareness that he's doing it.

I don't think I've ever seen a post of his that didn't include a non sequitur.

 

[Majors]

But you’re okay with them making any rules as they see fit, correct? Is that not your argument with the Australian government?

Since they are the government, they can make rules as they see fit? You’re attempting to justify authoritarian rule based on sovereignty

Stock Trading Act is 50 years too late. Would have stopped a lot of politicians from being protected with the knowledge they had before the people.

 

[Vjcvette]

I give you real data on cases in my unit and you site a report on the unvaccinated….stealthy.

A report on Hospitalizations and deaths by vaccination status
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Do...-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

 

[85SugarVol]

Not a nurse, never have been a nurse and have never said that I was a nurse

My apologies then. Not sure why I thought you were a Nurse.

 

[Vjcvette]

My apologies then. Not sure why I thought you were a Nurse.

No worries sweetie

 

[Vol8188]

Unless you actually see their medical records, you do not know what their admitting diagnosis was, these conversations are so redundant and ridiculous

Their vaccine status and Covid test are also a part of their medical records and yet that is released. Why wouldn’t we include their admitting diagnosis

 

[Vol8188]

two vaccines and a booster

Are you admitting anyone without a booster is counted as “unvaccinated”? If so your 70% hospitalization number is no longer impressive given more than 70% of people are not boosted

 

[Vjcvette]

Are you admitting anyone without a booster is counted as “unvaccinated”? If so your 70% hospitalization number is no longer impressive given more than 70% of people are not boosted

When am I conisdered fully vaccinated for COVID-19?



Most adults and children are considered fully vaccinated 2 weeks after the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Most adults are considered fully vaccinated 2 weeks after the second dose of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine or the single-dose J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine.

 

[Matt2496]

It’s nothing new, a lot of companies have required Flu Vaccine’s for years, nobody is forcing anyone, if they don’t like it, go work somewhere else.

Biden tried to with the federal mandate.

 

[AthensVol2007]

What is the percentage of perfectly healthy youths dying because of the vaccine? What evidence other than the word of a random website do you have that these individuals were perfectly healthy or had just recieved the vaccine? Is there evidence that that the vaccine caused their deaths? Did they die with the vaccine or from it? This game goes both ways.

What do any of us have as evidence that any of the myriad “perfectly healthy, < 35” that we’re told died from Covid, actually died from Covid? Other than the stupid anecdotal write ups and Facebook posts we get. Yahoo did one on a 28 year old black guy in GA who had “no underlying issues” and of course didn’t include any photos of him. I found him in 2 minutes via Facebook, and other social media postings; if he weighed less than 350lbs and was taller than 5’10 then I’m Yao Ming. He was morbidly obese and they knew it and ran with the BS narrative anyway.

 

[AthensVol2007]

I've known multiple people personally that have died from Covid. I'll take my chances with the vaccine and not think twice.

I truly don’t understand how this is possible around the country; there seems to be a fairly even split on X knows “#” of people who have died and then Y knows 0 people who have died. I’ve lived in 4 states in my lifetime, my family is spread out over 4 states, work for a company that operates in 10 states and communicate with folks in all of them regularly and I know absolutely nobody who has died and less than 5 who have wound up in the hospital in 2 years. It seems impossible that so many people would know 10 people who have died and so many others don’t know a soul (unless y’all all know the same 10 ).

 

[Vol8188]

When am I conisdered fully vaccinated for COVID-19?



Most adults and children are considered fully vaccinated 2 weeks after the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Most adults are considered fully vaccinated 2 weeks after the second dose of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine or the single-dose J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine.

Early you stated vaccinated meant you’ve also had a booster. So my point is your 70% are unvaccinated number that you posted earlier, does that mean 70% of them had not had a booster?

If so that’s not very impressive because few people have had the booster

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Then that would be 4 more years before we know if it can give you myocarditis 5 years after you get it.

So until then, we should still be lining up kids (or anyone for that matter) to get these jabs and we can deal with the consequences later?

 

[Vjcvette]

Early you stated vaccinated meant you’ve also had a booster. So my point is your 70% are unvaccinated number that you posted earlier, does that mean 70% of them had not had a booster?

If so that’s not very impressive because few people have had the booster

As of Jan. 9, 75,356,579 Americans had received a booster, or 36.3 percent of the country's fully vaccinated population, according to the CDC's data.

 

[Vol8188]

As of Jan. 9, 75,356,579 Americans had received a booster, or 36.3 percent of the country's fully vaccinated population, according to the CDC's data.

If that’s correct then your 70% unvaccinated number isn’t very impressive. You get that right?

That would mean only 22% of our population (75/330) have a booster yet they represent 30% of the ICU population that you posted earlier.

So were you posting that as an example that vaccines don’t work?

 

[Vol8188]

Lulz

Rohan was correct. I posted the study Rogan is referring to. You’re more likely if you’re a male under 40 to get myocarditis from the vaccine then from Covid. About 4-5 times. But trying to accuse the man of confirmation bias while he’s correct is adorable

 

[Vol8188]

70% of Georgians hospitalized with COVID-19 this year unvaccinated

What is the difference? What’s the definition of “vaccinated” today?

two vaccines and a booster

As of Jan. 9, 75,356,579 Americans had received a booster, or 36.3 percent of the country's fully vaccinated population, according to the CDC's data.

You see the problem here right? And how if what you’re saying is true, then only 22% of people are “vaccinated” yet they compromise 30% of the cases you referenced

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Rohan was correct. I posted the study Rogan is referring to. You’re more likely if you’re a male under 40 to get myocarditis from the vaccine then from Covid. About 4-5 times. But trying to accuse the man of confirmation bias while he’s correct is adorable

Are you talking about this study? Because that's not what it says.

Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study

 

[Vol8188]

Are you talking about this study? Because that's not what it says.

Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study

No. More recent. From December of this year. I’ll bump it shortly. Will take just a moment to find

 

[Sea Ray]

that's fine. It should be business owner's decision and not Joe Biden's

 

[Vol8188]

Are you talking about this study? Because that's not what it says.

Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study

Notice these are not the total number of events of myocarditis, but the number of events above the background rate. That's why it's called "additional events per million".

3 or 12 additional events of myocarditis after the first, 12 or 14 more additional events per million after the second shot, and 13 events following a third shot. On the low end that's 28 (39 on the high end) if you take 3 shots.

Compare that to your odds of myocarditis with covid, 7 incidents per million.

This means you're 4x (on the high end it's nearly 6x) more likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine. This is why my nephew will not receive the vaccine when he's old enough (turns 4 this year) and why I will not receive a booster.

"In males aged less than 40 years, we estimated an additional 3 (95%CI 1, 5) and 12 (95%CI 1, 13) myocarditis events per million in the 1-28 days following a first dose of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively; an additional 14 (95%CI 8, 17), 12 (95%CI 1, 7) and 101 (95%CI 95, 104) myocarditis events following a second dose of ChAdOx1, BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively; and an additional 13 (95%CI 7, 15) myocarditis events following a third dose of BNT162b2 vaccine. This compares with 7 (95%CI 2, 11) additional myocarditis events in the 1-28 days following a positive SARS-CoV-2 test."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1.full.pdf