Vaccine or not?

[VolinWayne]

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3

Golly thats even less then I expected. Only 841 deaths in children with covid over a 2 year period. I'd love to see the data on the health of each one of these children and if they had any underlying issues. It's insane that that number would drive people to vaccinate children and force them to wear face diapers all day in class.

 

[evillawyer]

Golly thats even less then I expected. Only 841 deaths in children with covid over a 2 year period. I'd love to see the data on the health of each one of these children and if they had any underlying issues. It's insane that that number would drive people to vaccinate children and force them to wear face diapers all day in class.

If that's your argument there's a whole sh*tload of things you wouldn't vaccinate for

 

[kiddiedoc]

• Based on evidence from clinical trials in people 16 years and older, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 95% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected.

Might want to recheck those stats with the new strain, my dear.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Golly thats even less then I expected. Only 841 deaths in children with covid over a 2 year period. I'd love to see the data on the health of each one of these children and if they had any underlying issues. It's insane that that number would drive people to vaccinate children and force them to wear face diapers all day in class.

I can tell you with certainty (directly from the top of hospital admins) that nearly every single one has had significant comorbidities.

Also, there has been a consistent report of "40%" being incidental diagnosis, but these would still be included in "COVID deaths."

 

[VolStrom]

If that's your argument there's a whole sh*tload of things you wouldn't vaccinate for

Have you got your shingles vax yet?

 

[AshG]

Are you talking about this study? Because that's not what it says.

Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study

From the same study 8188 posted, the summary conclusion:

In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose of BNT162b in the overall population. However, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination is consistently higher in younger males, particularly following a second dose of RNA mRNA-1273 vaccine.

 

[VolStrom]

I can tell you with certainty (directly from the top of hospital admins) that nearly every single one has had significant comorbidities.

Also, there has been a consistent report of "40%" being incidental diagnosis, but these would still be included in "COVID deaths."

I've been saying this for nearly 2 years, these idiots are so enamored with making everyone afraid, they made everyone that tested positive a covid death.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

I've been saying this for nearly 2 years, these idiots are so enamored with making everyone afraid, they made everyone that tested positive a covid death.

So how then do you explain the American death rate rising almost 16% in 2020. Just a coincidence?

 

[VolStrom]

So how then do you explain the American death rate rising almost 16% in 2020. Just a coincidence?

Where do think the death rate comes from? People that died from covid or people that died with covid?

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Where do think the death rate comes from? People that died from covid or people that died with covid?

Just people who have died. Deaths per 100,000.

 

[VOLS INC.]

You using law as basis of righteousness is something to behold

I bet he’s standing at the southern border right now yelling at the people invading our country, “Hey. Hey you! This is a Sovereign country. We have laws against what you are doing right now”

 

[kiddiedoc]

From the same study 8188 posted, the summary conclusion:

In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose of BNT162b in the overall population. However, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination is consistently higher in younger males, particularly following a second dose of RNA mRNA-1273 vaccine.

You seem like a smart guy who likes to read and study up before taking a stance. Have you read the Pfizer EUA document for 5-11 year olds? Specifically, the information they provided on myocarditis risk?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

American Cancels 1,500 Flights On Halloween Weekend, Denies Any Relation To Vaccine Mandate | ZeroHedge



Good. The managers and CEO need to be let go!

More airline nonsense...

Pilot Shortage Forces Delta, American Air To Cut Regional Flights | ZeroHedge

The shortage is not just because pilots call out sick for COVID-19 as the omicron variant spreads rapidly. There is a lingering pandemic effect of thousands of pilots who retired in early 2020, and now there's not enough as travel rebounds.

 

[Vjcvette]

Might want to recheck those stats with the new strain, my dear.

Well thank ya, I might look into that sometime

 

[AshG]

You seem like a smart guy who likes to read and study up before taking a stance. Have you read the Pfizer EUA document for 5-11 year olds? Specifically, the information they provided on myocarditis risk?

No, not yet. I've got a little time so I'll go look for it.

 

[AshG]

You seem like a smart guy who likes to read and study up before taking a stance. Have you read the Pfizer EUA document for 5-11 year olds? Specifically, the information they provided on myocarditis risk?

Found it and read it. It does list myocarditis as a very low chance side effect. My opinion remains on the vaccine for the under-18 crowd; that the decision be made between the parent and pediatrician based on their child's medical history.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[LouderVol]

Even assuming, for argument's sake, that risk of myocarditis induced by vaccine is higher than risk of myocarditis induced by covid, covid can have adverse effects beyond myocarditis, like long covid, lung damage, increased chance of diabetes, spread to others, etc.

Lol increased chance of diabetes. You got the cart before the horse on that one chief.

Good thing those others have the vax right? And thus are safe. No need to worry about those side effects. No need to assign guilt if it cant spread to the vaxxed.

 

[LouderVol]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfi...d-vaccine-doses-arent-enough-for-omicron.html

The first two key points refute your argument of the two shots being enough.

Based on what you have read/heard/been told what do YOU think is necessary to be considered protected from Covid at this point in time? January 14th, 2022. 10:14 EST.

No what some conflicting articles say, what do YOU think?

 

[Vjcvette]

I have a booster shot

 

[DC_Vol]

Lol increased chance of diabetes. You got the cart before the horse on that one chief.

Good thing those others have the vax right? And thus are safe. No need to worry about those side effects. No need to assign guilt if it cant spread to the vaxxed.

I’ve substantially cut back on my sugar intake over the last two years to protect any elderly people from getting diabetes.

 

[LouderVol]

I truly believe my choice to not get vaxxed lead me to have no symptoms.

See it's not only the vaxxed who can make unsubstainted claims to back up their argument.

 

[AshG]

I’ve substantially cut back on my sugar intake over the last two years to protect any elderly people from getting diabetes.

I've cut back on my sugar intake over the last two years to protect my children from a poor dietary influence. Romans 14:13

 

[ButchPlz]

I truly believe my choice to not get vaxxed lead me to have no symptoms.

See it's not only the vaxxed who can make unsubstainted claims to back up their argument.

The vaxxed person in my family that got COVID had the longest period of symptoms by far. So I'm going to make my BS claim that getting the clot shot gives you a likelihood of symptoms lasting twice as long as someone unvaxxed.

 

[ButchPlz]