Vaccine or not?

[Orange_Vol1321]

My whole stance on the vaccine has been about the spread of misinformation from people that have a platform whether it’s a religious leader, a host for an antivax radio program. You have a mind of your own like you said but a lot of people take these criminals for their word. I couldn’t care less what you think about why it’s important to me or not.

People pushing the experimental shots are just as bad, you're one of them.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

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[AshG]

What is a worse outcome?

"However, based on the data presented, unvaccinated individuals appear to be six times more likely to be hospitalised and nearly 13 times more likely to be sent to ICU than those who are fully vaccinated."

 

[0nelilreb]

Good job antivaxxers!

Hey vaxxer .. are those number of hospitalized patients in those stats - WITH COVID OR FROM COVID ? Asking for an unvaxxed friend .

 

[LouderVol]

My whole stance on the vaccine has been about the spread of misinformation from people that have a platform whether it’s a religious leader, a host for an antivax radio program. You have a mind of your own like you said but a lot of people take these criminals for their word. I couldn’t care less what you think about why it’s important to me or not.

What about all the politicians, media, beauracrata, who have pushed bs pro-vax stuff?

Why is it only one source of misinformation that bothers you?

 

[LouderVol]

I've never considered this until reading this anecdote, but people that get that big and eat like that may be suffering from a mental health disorder.

A good number are. Pr using food as a crutch. You see the opposite too with bulimia.

 

[LouderVol]

Good job antivaxxers!

Yeah except the second lowest vax rate, Norway, is the lowest hospitalization rate.

 

[Sea Ray]

Hey vaxxer .. are those number of hospitalized patients in those stats - WITH COVID OR FROM COVID ? Asking for an unvaxxed friend .

If the vaccine keeps those with comorbidities out of the hospital then what's wrong with that? Sounds like something worth touting.

I think you ought to jump to a different method of attack. What jumped out to me was the mention of the booster only being effective for 10 weeks. That's not good and that kind of news is not going to encourage a lot of folks to get it

 

[0nelilreb]

If the vaccine keeps those with comorbidities out of the hospital then what's wrong with that? Sounds like something worth touting.

I think you ought to jump to a different method of attack. What jumped out to me was the mention of the booster only being effective for 10 weeks. That's not good and that kind of news is not going to encourage a lot of folks to get it

One bite at a time .. the stats lie anyone with a brain knows it and still they push the agenda . Once again I ask , if I get admitted into the hospital with a spider bite and test positive while I’m there … what stat will I be counted in ? I am unvaxxed .

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

"However, based on the data presented, unvaccinated individuals appear to be six times more likely to be hospitalised and nearly 13 times more likely to be sent to ICU than those who are fully vaccinated."

Do we have to go through this again with the math?

.06% is 6 times higher than .01%. If those are the odds of me dying unvaccinated vs vaccinated, I still like my odds being unvaccinated.

You guys love throwing out these numbers without any context.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Yeah except the second lowest vax rate, Norway, is the lowest hospitalization rate.

This is what you call "cherry picking" data. Let's include some other larger countries and notice a slightly different story...




And deaths:


As you can see, there are several "poorly-boosted" countries with low hospitalization and death rates, and several with many more boosters given that are near to our current situation.

 

[Sea Ray]

One bite at a time .. the stats lie anyone with a brain knows it and still they push the agenda . Once again I ask , if I get admitted into the hospital with a spider bite and test positive while I’m there … what stat will I be counted in ? I am unvaxxed .

Whatever that number is, it's the same whether it's vaxxed or not vaxxed so it cancels out. To use your example, there's no statistical difference between vaxxed or not vaxxed showing up with a spider bite

 

[kiddiedoc]

Whatever that number is, it's the same whether it's vaxxed or not vaxxed so it cancels out. To use your example, there's no statistical difference between vaxxed or not vaxxed showing up with a spider bite

Not necessarily true: spiders don't usually bite people who don't leave their houses.

 

[Sea Ray]

This is what you call "cherry picking" data. Let's include some other larger countries and notice a slightly different story...

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And deaths:
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As you can see, there are several "poorly-boosted" countries with low hospitalization and death rates, and several with many more boosters given that are near to our current situation.

Doc, it's hard to say since it doesn't show the same countries in each graphic. Chile is in the first and not to be found in the second. Canada is in the second graphic and not the first. Neither Canada or Chile is in the 3rd graphic. Hard to make heads or tails out of it

 

[Sea Ray]

Not necessarily true: spiders don't usually bite people who don't leave their houses.

So spiders I find inside my house won't bite me? Interesting. OK, is there a correlation between leaving your house and choosing to get vaccinated?

 

[kiddiedoc]

So spiders I find inside my house won't bite me? Interesting. OK, is there a correlation between leaving your house and choosing to get vaccinated?

LOL, maybe.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Doc, it's hard to say since it doesn't show the same countries in each graphic. Chile is in the first and not to be found in the second. Canada is in the second graphic and not the first. Neither Canada or Chile is in the 3rd graphic. Hard to make heads or tails out of it

Yeah some countries were not available to select/include in different graphs.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Another interesting graph, since Chile was shown to have such an amazing booster rate:

 

[VolStrom]

Since we're a racist and misogynistic country, are these number corrected to include white supremacy numbers? After all, I think some European countries are still predominantly white racists and let's not forget to throw Russia in with that group.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Gillibrand vows to 'do better' after restaurant says she ignored mask mandate

@evillawyer

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

If the vaccine keeps those with comorbidities out of the hospital then what's wrong with that? Sounds like something worth touting.

I think you ought to jump to a different method of attack. What jumped out to me was the mention of the booster only being effective for 10 weeks. That's not good and that kind of news is not going to encourage a lot of folks to get it

That doesn't seem to be the case when you dig for the numbers.

Yea, even people that were for it first is not going to line up every two months to get another one. But there will be some that loves it.

 

[0nelilreb]

Whatever that number is, it's the same whether it's vaxxed or not vaxxed so it cancels out. To use your example, there's no statistical difference between vaxxed or not vaxxed showing up with a spider bite

It’s fake stats that are being pushed to make it seem like the health care system is being overloaded because people aren’t getting the jab . There’s the difference . The spin . With Covid or from Covid .

 

[VolStrom]

It’s fake stats that are being pushed to make it seem like the health care system is being overloaded because people aren’t getting the jab . There’s the difference . The spin . With Covid or from Covid .

It's the same as saying the #1 cause of death of teenagers hospitalized was acne.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

It’s fake stats that are being pushed to make it seem like the health care system is being overloaded because people aren’t getting the jab . There’s the difference . The spin . With Covid or from Covid .

Not to mention using in all news stories "The hospital is at full capacity." Sure it is, you fired half your staff that didn't want the shot and now you can't fully open because of not having the nurses to open at 100% capacity.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Not to mention using in all news stories "The hospital is at full capacity." Sure it is, you fired half your staff that didn't want the shot and now you can't fully open because of not having the nurses to open at 100% capacity.

Correct. "Capacity" is a quite fluid number.