Vaccine or not?

[luthervol]

The vaccine doesn’t keep people from getting it. Period.

The vaccine greatly reduces your chances of getting it. Exclamation point!

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Oooohhhh Noooooos. Relatively minor and extremely rare side effects. How shall I defeat such an argument?

Myocarditis is a minor side effect?

 

[VolinWayne]

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I do not remember that at all.

Natural immunity has took two years to start being mentioned by the top officials.

 

[Sandman 423]

The vaccine greatly reduces your chances of getting it. Exclamation point!

Omnicron disagrees. Three Exclamation points!!!

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

The vaccine greatly reduces your chances of getting it. Exclamation point!

It does not and definitely not with Omicron.

 

[VolinWayne]

 

[VolinWayne]

Thousands of Physicians and Scientists Reach Consensus on Vaccinating Children and Natural Immunity - Global Covid Summit

The over 17,000 signers to the declaration have reached consensus on three foundational principles:

Healthy children should not be subject to forced vaccination: they face negligible risk from covid, but face potential permanent, irreversible risk to their health if vaccinated, including heart, brain, reproductive and immune system damage.Natural Immunity Denial has prolonged the pandemic and needlessly restricted the lives of Covid-recovered people. Masks, lockdowns, and other restrictions have caused great harm especially to children and delayed the virus’ transition to endemic status.Health agencies and institutions must cease interfering with the physician-patient relationship. Policymakers are directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, as a result of institutional interference and blocking treatments proven to cure at a near 100% rate when administered early.

 

[luthervol]

Natural immunity has took two years to start being mentioned by the top officials.

Butchplz made this ridiculous claim....

And again, remember when the media, the CDC, the FDA, leftist politicians, and certain dingbats in this thread tried to gaslight us all into believing natural immunity wasn't real?

I don't remember a single instance where anyone claimed natural immunity wasn't real.
The hilarious part is that he uses the "gaslight" accusation in his attempt to gaslight.

 

[luthervol]

It does not and definitely not with Omicron.

Sure it does.
How Effective Are COVID-19 Vaccines Against Omicron?

• A two-shot course of mRNA vaccines or the one-shot J&J vaccine seem to be less effective against the Omicron variant, especially for infection.
• Data so far indicates that mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) offer the most promising protection against both infection and hospitalization, in line with the CDC’s recommendations.
• Current figures suggest that vaccines offer 30 to 40 percent protection against infection and around 70 percent protection against hospitalization without boosters.
• Newer data is confirming that a third dose increases antibody production and boosts effectiveness against infection to around 75 percent, and 88 percent for severe disease.

 

[AshG]

My University has blocked Telegram, so I can't see what The Q Qrew has to say about any of this.

The Danish study and Scotland's latest data both point to an interesting reaction to Omicron.

1. You are most likely to get Omicron, or have a significant reaction to it, if you have had two doses of one of the vaccines or have had a previous infection.
2. You are least likely to get Omicron, or have a significant reaction to it, of you have had two doses plus a booster, or a previous infection plus a booster.
3. The Omicron infection or severe reaction number sits in the middle for those who have never been infected and never had a dose of the vaccine.

 

[RockyTop85]

18 myocarditis cases per 100,000 in males 5-11 after shots. This per Pfizer documents. The incidence outweighs prevented hospitalizations under some circumstances.

Ok. I can’t find that after a quick look, but I assume it’s true and concede that the other poster’s standard of “complete vaccination of all eligible persons” is not an ideal standard.

Of the following unmodified, blanket statements, which ones do you think that statistic validates in their entirety?
A) It is false [that there would be less cases of Covid-19 if everyone were vaccinated.]
B) The risk of hospitalization and death would be reduced for only the old and those with multiple co-morbidities [as a result of complete vaccination of those eligible.]
C) Healthy, younger people don't need the jab. D) The jab put unneeded risk on healthy, younger people.
E) “The jab” serves zero purpose for healthy younger people.
F) These "vaccines" should be treated just like the flu shot and when sanity once again reigns supreme in our medical community the COVID shot will only be recommended for those that are already knocking on deaths door.
G) Only a total moron would recommend this therapeutic to a child, teen, or healthy young adult.

 

[Vol737]

The vaccine greatly reduces your chances of getting it. Exclamation point!

As it rifles through the already vaccinated, myself included.

 

[luthervol]

As it rifles through the already vaccinated, myself included.

True. Just be glad you had reduced symptoms and complications.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Sure it does.
How Effective Are COVID-19 Vaccines Against Omicron?

• A two-shot course of mRNA vaccines or the one-shot J&J vaccine seem to be less effective against the Omicron variant, especially for infection.
• Data so far indicates that mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) offer the most promising protection against both infection and hospitalization, in line with the CDC’s recommendations.
• Current figures suggest that vaccines offer 30 to 40 percent protection against infection and around 70 percent protection against hospitalization without boosters.
• Newer data is confirming that a third dose increases antibody production and boosts effectiveness against infection to around 75 percent, and 88 percent for severe disease.

Lol

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Butchplz made this ridiculous claim....

I don't remember a single instance where anyone claimed natural immunity wasn't real.
The hilarious part is that he uses the "gaslight" accusation in his attempt to gaslight.

I don't remember anybody in here pro vaccine saying if you've had covid you don't need the vaccine, to test weekly, or that you shouldn't be shunned from restaurants either.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Sure it does.
How Effective Are COVID-19 Vaccines Against Omicron?

• A two-shot course of mRNA vaccines or the one-shot J&J vaccine seem to be less effective against the Omicron variant, especially for infection.
• Data so far indicates that mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) offer the most promising protection against both infection and hospitalization, in line with the CDC’s recommendations.
• Current figures suggest that vaccines offer 30 to 40 percent protection against infection and around 70 percent protection against hospitalization without boosters.
• Newer data is confirming that a third dose increases antibody production and boosts effectiveness against infection to around 75 percent, and 88 percent for severe disease.

You really believe this don’t you? You really think these so called “vaccines” work don’t you?

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Anybody seen this from a WION news station in India?

 

[Vol423]

The vaccine greatly reduces your chances of getting it. Exclamation point!

That's a load of crap.

 

[luthervol]

Lol

Not sure what you're laughing at, maybe the absurdity of this whole debate?
I posted this a couple of days ago.....
Georgia hospitals plead for public to help lower COVID-19 spread

The doctors said all eligible Georgians should get vaccinated and get the booster shot as soon as they are eligible. The overwhelming majority of people hospitalized or dying from COVID are the unvaccinated, they said.

”Even though the vaccines are challenged (by the omicron variant), they remain a success,” said Dr. Jayne Morgan, executive director of the Piedmont Healthcare COVID-19 task force. “These vaccines still by and large have kept us out of the hospital and out of the morgue.”

 

[Vol423]

Sure it does.
How Effective Are COVID-19 Vaccines Against Omicron?

• A two-shot course of mRNA vaccines or the one-shot J&J vaccine seem to be less effective against the Omicron variant, especially for infection.
• Data so far indicates that mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) offer the most promising protection against both infection and hospitalization, in line with the CDC’s recommendations.
• Current figures suggest that vaccines offer 30 to 40 percent protection against infection and around 70 percent protection against hospitalization without boosters.
• Newer data is confirming that a third dose increases antibody production and boosts effectiveness against infection to around 75 percent, and 88 percent for severe disease.

Oh. It must be true then. After all, the CDC and the mainstream media never lie!

 

[luthervol]

I don't remember anybody in here pro vaccine saying if you've had covid you don't need the vaccine, to test weekly, or that you shouldn't be shunned from restaurants either.

That wasn't the claim made. I was saying his claim was total BS, and it was.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Not sure what you're laughing at, maybe the absurdity of this whole debate?
I posted this a couple of days ago.....
Georgia hospitals plead for public to help lower COVID-19 spread

The doctors said all eligible Georgians should get vaccinated and get the booster shot as soon as they are eligible. The overwhelming majority of people hospitalized or dying from COVID are the unvaccinated, they said.

”Even though the vaccines are challenged (by the omicron variant), they remain a success,” said Dr. Jayne Morgan, executive director of the Piedmont Healthcare COVID-19 task force. “These vaccines still by and large have kept us out of the hospital and out of the morgue.”

There's been to much politics injected in to this virus so now any information good or bad is tainted. When Bill Maher admits this, you know something isn't right.

 

[luthervol]

You really believe this don’t you? You really think these so called “vaccines” work don’t you?

I have no doubt.
I also believe that brushing your teeth regularly helps prevent cavities.
You can teach your kids to brush their teeth. You can make them brush their teeth for a period of time. You can encourage them to brush their teeth. You can explain why it is important for them to brush their teeth...but ultimately it's on them.
All you can do is hope that they are eventually wise enough to understand why it is in their best interest, and to a lesser degree the best interest of those who are forced to be in close proximity.

I'm to the point of viewing this debate in much the same way.....don't brush your teeth, I don't really care; just understand why I may turn my head when you talk to me.

 

[DC_Vol]

That wasn't the claim made. I was saying his claim was total BS, and it was.

The correct claim was the benefits of natural immunity, as it relates to protection against a new infection and contribution to herd immunity, was largely ignored for the first two years of the pandemic.