Vaccine or not?

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evillawyer said:
And which vaccines have had serious and widespread side effects first appear more than a year after being vaxxed?
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Isn’t the correct question to ask which vaccines have had serious side effects appear after a year which have also been rushed into use via an EUA before long term data was available? But we don’t want to ask that do we cat lady? 🤡
 
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utvolpj said:
Funny they started counting from 18 yet everyone knows that's not the real at risk group. They're torturing numbers
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You can sort the data as you wish
COVID Data Tracker

CDC summary:

Summary
People who were unvaccinated had a greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a greater risk of dying from COVID-19 than people who were fully vaccinated (see below for the most recent rates).
Unvaccinated people in all age groups had higher case and death rates than fully vaccinated people in the same age groups.
Case and death rates for people fully vaccinated with any of the three vaccine types (Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen) were much lower than for unvaccinated people.
People who were fully vaccinated with an additional or booster dose had lower case rates compared with those without an additional or booster dose. Both of these groups had much lower risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a lower risk of dying from COVID-19 compared with people who were unvaccinated.
People ages 65 and older had a larger overall benefit from receiving an additional or booster dose, compared with those 50-64 years.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I do not
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Fair enough.

Informal polling of M.D.s in my family, family friends, personal friends from high school and college, my own providers, my wife’s providers, and professional contacts (18 others in total) shows that you’re on an island as to most of the other statements. Even the ones who are less likely to recommend vaccination and the one who sought an exemption for herself discuss benefits in a way that’s consistent with the statistics I posted from Washington and other statistics that I’ve randomly seen from other areas. Every one of them says it reduces chances of contracting Covid and further reduces risk of serious illness in all age groups and that it carries some risk of adverse effects. The only disagreement is when/whether there’s a point at which the risk from Covid is low enough to forego vaccination and whether there is a possibility of latent side-effects.

It’s been a while since I’ve talked to some of these people about this, so maybe some have changed their minds given the changing conditions, but I still don’t think any of them would agree that there’s no benefit for younger healthy adults.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Fair enough.

Informal polling of M.D.s in my family, family friends, personal friends from high school and college, my own providers, my wife’s providers, and professional contacts (18 others in total) shows that you’re on an island as to most of the other statements. Even the ones who are less likely to recommend vaccination and the one who sought an exemption for herself discuss benefits in a way that’s consistent with the statistics I posted from Washington and other statistics that I’ve randomly seen from other areas. Every one of them says it reduces chances of contracting Covid and further reduces risk of serious illness in all age groups and that it carries some risk of adverse effects. The only disagreement is when/whether there’s a point at which the risk from Covid is low enough to forego vaccination and whether there is a possibility of latent side-effects.

It’s been a while since I’ve talked to some of these people about this, so maybe some have changed their minds given the changing conditions, but I still don’t think any of them would agree that there’s no benefit for younger healthy adults.
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That's great and all, but as history has often shown us, being right is not a popularity contest.
 
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FOIA docs reveal Pfizer shot caused avalanche of miscarriages, stillborn babies - LifeSite


Table 6 states that of 270 “unique pregnancies” that were exposed to the vaccine, “no outcome was provided for 238 pregnancies.”

This leaves 32 pregnancies with known outcomes.

Pfizer’s report states that there were 23 spontaneous abortions (miscarriages), two premature births with neonatal death, two spontaneous abortions with intrauterine death, one spontaneous abortion with neonatal death, and one pregnancy with “normal outcome.” That means that of 32 pregnancies with known outcome, 28 resulted in fetal death.
 
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VolinWayne said:
FOIA docs reveal Pfizer shot caused avalanche of miscarriages, stillborn babies - LifeSite


Table 6 states that of 270 “unique pregnancies” that were exposed to the vaccine, “no outcome was provided for 238 pregnancies.”

This leaves 32 pregnancies with known outcomes.

Pfizer’s report states that there were 23 spontaneous abortions (miscarriages), two premature births with neonatal death, two spontaneous abortions with intrauterine death, one spontaneous abortion with neonatal death, and one pregnancy with “normal outcome.” That means that of 32 pregnancies with known outcome, 28 resulted in fetal death.
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"safe and effective"
 
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VolStrom said:
Do you think they might have something to hide? In 55 years, all the players in this game will be dead, me included, as well as the majority of the people old enough to read this forum.
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The government will always have things to hide. For "our own good," of course. This is just another example of the information they think we're better off not knowing. The less the .gov wants us to know something, the more likely it is we should have open access to it.
 
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AshG said:
The government will always have things to hide. For "our own good," of course. This is just another example of the information they think we're better off not knowing. The less the .gov wants us to know something, the more likely it is we should have open access to it.
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I would say unless it involves the military, then the government should be 100% transparent.
 
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