Vaccine or not?

[Orange_Vol1321]

Do you think they might have something to hide? In 55 years, all the players in this game will be dead, me included, as well as the majority of the people old enough to read this forum.

I believe that long wait was shot down by a Federal judge for the FDA Pfizer data and was ordered to be fully released in 8 months.

‘Paramount importance’: Judge orders FDA to hasten release of Pfizer vaccine docs

 

[VolinWayne]

10-year-old girl from São Paolo, Brazil has suffered a cardiac arrest and was in critical condition 12 hours after taking a dose of the Pfizer vaccine, the Covid World reported.

Luisa Petenuci took the Pfizer shot on Tuesday, January 18th in Lençóis Paulista, São Paulo. After 12 hours, she suffered a cardiac arrest and collapsed on her father’s lap.

Police officer Claudimar Petenuci, father of 10-year-old Luisa Petenuci, shared the horrific incident in an audio that went viral on social media.

“She took the vaccine in the morning, and at 9 o’clock at night she came to my room saying that her heart was beating very hard, when I put my hand, it was something unbelievable. She fainted on my lap,” says the police officer [translated].

The father concluded in his voice message not to vaccinate the kids due to its risks.




Brazil: Child Vaccination Suspended After 10-Year-Old Girl Suffers Cardiac Arrest Hours After Receiving Pfizer Vaccine

 

[utvolpj]

10-year-old girl from São Paolo, Brazil has suffered a cardiac arrest and was in critical condition 12 hours after taking a dose of the Pfizer vaccine, the Covid World reported.

Luisa Petenuci took the Pfizer shot on Tuesday, January 18th in Lençóis Paulista, São Paulo. After 12 hours, she suffered a cardiac arrest and collapsed on her father’s lap.

Police officer Claudimar Petenuci, father of 10-year-old Luisa Petenuci, shared the horrific incident in an audio that went viral on social media.

“She took the vaccine in the morning, and at 9 o’clock at night she came to my room saying that her heart was beating very hard, when I put my hand, it was something unbelievable. She fainted on my lap,” says the police officer [translated].

The father concluded in his voice message not to vaccinate the kids due to its risks.




Brazil: Child Vaccination Suspended After 10-Year-Old Girl Suffers Cardiac Arrest Hours After Receiving Pfizer Vaccine

These are no different than the ones mad4vols posts.

 

[VolinWayne]

These are no different than the ones mad4vols posts.

So do you think the reports of these adverse reactions are all just fake and not real? Or is your opinion that as long as main stream media doesn't report it or talk about it its not a big deal?

 

[kiddiedoc]

These are no different than the ones mad4vols posts.

Not really, because no one is denying that some people, especially the old and those with comorbid conditions, will die from the infection.

Healthy 10 year old kids don't just "have" heart attacks.

 

[VolinWayne]

Not really, because no one is denying that some people, especially the old and those with comorbid conditions, will die from the infection.

Healthy 10 year old kids don't just "have" heart attacks.

That's my issue. Given what we now know about the extremely low risk to healthy kids, it should only take a very small handful of cases like this for them to pull the plug on the covid vaccination for kids.

 

[utvolpj]

Not really, because no one is denying that some people, especially the old and those with comorbid conditions, will die from the infection.

Healthy 10 year old kids don't just "have" heart attacks.

And the narrative is that healthy younger people don't die from covid. My point is that statistically neither happens at a significant enough rate

 

[kiddiedoc]

That's my issue. Given what we now know about the extremely low risk to healthy kids, it should only take a very small handful of cases like this for them to pull the plug on the covid vaccination for kids.

I've said many times: any other medication or "vaccine" would have been pulled immediately due to these adverse events.

 

[utvolpj]

So do you think the reports of these adverse reactions are all just fake and not real? Or is your opinion that as long as main stream media doesn't report it or talk about it its not a big deal?

I believe they could be real but would still be outliers. I've said many times my kids aren't getting them. I just think these anecdotes from both sides do nothing. Some of the others were even removed

I used to work with a guy who ended up a paraplegic following a reaction to the flu shot. I get that things happen even in the best of conditions

 

[kiddiedoc]

And the narrative is that healthy younger people don't die from covid. My point is that statistically neither happens at a significant enough rate

So, what number would you consider "significant enough?"

The surveillance system has been touted for is success in determining that the old rotavirus vaccine was causing intussusception. The rate? 1 in 10,000. It was pulled immediately.

Look back at the Pfizer chart I provided and tell me what the rate of myocarditis is, for boys and for both sexes combined.

N.b.: rotavirus kills an average of 440,000 kids a year, worldwide.

 

[hUTch2002]

So far, one- or two-dose vaccines provide far less protection than those paired with a booster, but they still do appear to protect against severe disease.

3 people in my office all got covid in the last 2 weeks at the same time. One unvaccinated who had covid once before (14 months prior), one vaccinated with no booster (4 months prior), and one vaccinated with booster (booster was 1 month prior). All 3 are within 8 years of age and all 43 or younger and in good health. The symptoms were mild in all 3, identical in all 3, and lasted the exact same amount of time. Those vaccines aren’t as good as you think they are.

 

[utvolpj]

So, what number would you consider "significant enough?"

The surveillance system has been touted for is success in determining that the old rotavirus vaccine was causing intussusception. The rate? 1 in 10,000. It was pulled immediately.

Look back at the Pfizer chart I provided and tell me what the rate of myocarditis is, for boys and for both sexes combined.

First they would need to be verified and come from a decent source. Just posting that Covid World reported a perfectly healthy 10yo died in Brazil really isn't significant. That's why I said the post was no different

 

[kiddiedoc]

First they would need to be verified and come from a decent source. Just posting that Covid World reported a perfectly healthy 10yo died in Brazil really isn't significant. That's why I said the post was no different

Got it.

For fun though, calculate the myocarditis risk.

 

[AshG]

Got it.

For fun though, calculate the myocarditis risk.

0.0018%

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So, what number would you consider "significant enough?"

The surveillance system has been touted for is success in determining that the old rotavirus vaccine was causing intussusception. The rate? 1 in 10,000. It was pulled immediately.

Look back at the Pfizer chart I provided and tell me what the rate of myocarditis is, for boys and for both sexes combined.

N.b.: rotavirus kills an average of 440,000 kids a year, worldwide.

Or, I keep referencing the 1976 swine flu vaccine that they tried to push out and only had about 50 adverse reactions (deaths) before they pulled the plug.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Now, what was the incidence of intussusception after the rotavirus vaccine?

1/10,000 = 0.0001

Remember, rotavirus kills 73x more children each year than have died with CV per year.

 

[kiddiedoc]

0.0018%

You're a decimal off. 180/1000000 = 0.00018, or 0.018%

 

[615vols]

Out of how many pregnancies?

Just “ minor inconveniences”, isn’t that how you worded it?

 

[kiddiedoc]

Just “ minor inconveniences”, isn’t that how you worded it?

In fairness, that's what a lot of people consider pregnancy, these days.

 

[AshG]

Just “ minor inconveniences”, isn’t that how you worded it?

I was specifically referring to mask usage. But if you want to be a disengenuous hack, go ahead and apply it elsewhere.

 

[AshG]

In fairness, that's what a lot of people consider pregnancy, these days.

I think that would actually be a good thing? It was anything but a minor inconvenience to my wife, especially child #2. I went months without being allowed to cook eggs or asparagus at home.

 

[615vols]

I was specifically referring to mask usage. But if you want to be a disengenuous hack, go ahead and apply it elsewhere.

I remembered you and doc talking about people losing jobs over vaccine mandates being a “minor inconvenience”. If I’m mistaken, then my bad.
Also, aren’t you the guy who clutches pearls and white knights over posters resorting to name calling and insults, yet you seem to do it quite a bit. Next time I see you cry about name calling, I’ll make sure to tell you to shut the fu** up

 

[kiddiedoc]

I think that would actually be a good thing? It was anything but a minor inconvenience to my wife, especially child #2. I went months without being allowed to cook eggs or asparagus at home.

I think you missed my reference.

 

[AshG]

I think you missed my reference.

I probably did. I'm less with it tonight than usual.

How are you feeling today?

 

[kiddiedoc]

To summarize my comparison with the older rotavirus vaccine:

The Pfizer mRNA shot is nearly twice as likely to cause myocarditis in young males, compared to the risk of intussusception after rota vaccine. The latter was pulled immediately, despite the fact that the illness it protected against is 73 times more deadly for children than CV19.