Vaccine or not?

[evillawyer]

If Omni is the prevalent strain then all the boosters you get are just placebos.

That's not what the data says.

 

[C-south]

That's not what the data says.

You believe the skewed data then when the vaccine producer actually said it does nothing. Hospitals don’t get paid to give the real numbers.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Look at "recent trends" in the link below. Breaks down recent cases, hospitalizations, and deaths by vaxxed and unvaxxed.

COVID-19: Latest Data - NYC Health

And data on the effect of a booster

So we going to use data of 65 and over to push a shot on kids 4 and up to 64 year olds?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I wonder what percentage of Republicans believe the risk of myocarditis greatly outweighs the benefits of the vaccine.

Probably less than feel that any needless added risk on an EUA shoved out and mandated jab since we’re coming into endemic status and we are all gonna get on with our lives.

Have you got your updated “the end is near” sign made yet for you to wave on the street corner? What does is say “the next variant is here”?

 

[kiddiedoc]

I wonder what percentage of Republicans believe the risk of myocarditis greatly outweighs the benefits of the vaccine.

The ones at Pfizer that included that possibility in their EUA paperwork for 5-11 year olds?

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

If these vaccines were so safe Pfizer and Moderna would be eager to share the data showing that instead of spending millions of dollars for court trying to keep it hidden.

 

[FLVOL69]

If these vaccines were so safe Pfizer and Moderna would be eager to share the data showing that instead of spending millions of dollars for court trying to keep it hidden.

Except their not safe hence the fight to delay their findings. Therapeutics have worked all along but theirs no profit in that, I fully expect Nuremberg style trials for big pharma and many physicians that were complicit in this scamdemic

 

[Vol737]

Quebec…lol. When you think things can’t get any dumber, Quebec says hold my beer.

Unvaccinated Must Be ‘Accompanied At All Times’ While Shopping At Big Box Stores, Canadian Health Ministry Says

 

[kiddiedoc]

And, before one of the numbnuts starts in about "mild myocarditis," a question for the parents on the board:

If you had to choose one of these two unfortunate situations for your child to endure, which would it be?

A) admission to the hospital with CV19 for respiratory observation, some nasal suctioning, possible IV fluid, and likely home in 24-48 hours

B) a diagnosis (and likely hospitalization) for myocarditis

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

And, before one of the numbnuts starts in about "mild myocarditis," a question for the parents on the board:

If you had to choose one of these two unfortunate situations for your child to endure, which would it be?

A) admission to the hospital with CV19 for respiratory observation, some nasal suctioning, possible IV fluid, and likely home in 24-48 hours

B) a diagnosis (and likely hospitalization) for myocarditis

Speaking of, during that panel discussion last week did you hear the lawyer say the adverse reactions have been rolled backwards including the numbers for myocarditis?

 

[evillawyer]

The ones at Pfizer that included that possibility in their EUA paperwork for 5-11 year olds?

That word "possibility" is doing a lot of work for you cowboy. Here's what they said:

"FDA conducted a quantitative benefit-risk analysis to evaluate predicted numbers of symptomatic COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths that would be prevented per million fully vaccinated children 5-11 years of age over a 6-month period, as compared with predicted numbers of vaccine-associated excess myocarditis cases, hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths per million fully vaccinated children 5-11 years of age. The model conservatively assumed that the risk of myocarditis/pericarditis associated with the 10 µg dose in children 5-11 years of age would the same as the estimated risk associated with the 30 µg dose in adolescents 12-15 years of age from Optum healthcare claims data. While benefits of vaccination were highly dependent on COVID-19 incidence, the overall analysis predicted that the numbers of clinically significant COVID-19-related outcomes prevented would clearly outweigh the numbers of vaccine-associated excess myocarditis cases over a range of assumptions for COVID-19 incidence. At the lowest evaluated COVID-19 incidence (corresponding to the June 2021 nadir), the predicted number of vaccine-associated myocarditis cases was greater than the predicted number of COVID-19 hospitalizations prevented for males and for both sexes combined. However, in consideration of the different clinical implications of hospitalization for COVID-19 versus hospitalization for vaccineassociated myocarditis, and benefits related to prevention of non-hospitalized cases of COVID19 with significant morbidity, the overall benefits of the vaccine may still outweigh the risks under this low incidence scenario. If the myocarditis/pericarditis risk in this age group is lower than the conservative assumption used in the model, the benefit-risk balance would be even more favorable."

 

[kiddiedoc]

That word "possibility" is doing a lot of work for you cowboy. Here's what they said:

"FDA conducted a quantitative benefit-risk analysis to evaluate predicted numbers of symptomatic COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths that would be prevented per million fully vaccinated children 5-11 years of age over a 6-month period, as compared with predicted numbers of vaccine-associated excess myocarditis cases, hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths per million fully vaccinated children 5-11 years of age. The model conservatively assumed that the risk of myocarditis/pericarditis associated with the 10 µg dose in children 5-11 years of age would the same as the estimated risk associated with the 30 µg dose in adolescents 12-15 years of age from Optum healthcare claims data. While benefits of vaccination were highly dependent on COVID-19 incidence, the overall analysis predicted that the numbers of clinically significant COVID-19-related outcomes prevented would clearly outweigh the numbers of vaccine-associated excess myocarditis cases over a range of assumptions for COVID-19 incidence. At the lowest evaluated COVID-19 incidence (corresponding to the June 2021 nadir), the predicted number of vaccine-associated myocarditis cases was greater than the predicted number of COVID-19 hospitalizations prevented for males and for both sexes combined. However, in consideration of the different clinical implications of hospitalization for COVID-19 versus hospitalization for vaccineassociated myocarditis, and benefits related to prevention of non-hospitalized cases of COVID19 with significant morbidity, the overall benefits of the vaccine may still outweigh the risks under this low incidence scenario. If the myocarditis/pericarditis risk in this age group is lower than the conservative assumption used in the model, the benefit-risk balance would be even more favorable."

I'm able to read a chart. I'm also aware of hospital situations and admissions first-hand.

And, you are discounting the other adverse effects, which we have addressed repeatedly.

We're at an impasse. You have no medical training, no daily clinical experience with CV, a very poor understanding of viruses and immunology, and nobody (other than maybe your own parents) listens to anything you say, and it drives you crazy.

I'll avoid directly responding to you from now on. It's probably better that way.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Speaking of, during that panel discussion last week did you hear the lawyer say the adverse reactions have been rolled backwards including the numbers for myocarditis?

Not sure I caught that. Can you explain what he meant?

 

[evillawyer]

I'm able to read a chart. I'm also aware of hospital situations and admissions first-hand.

And, you are discounting the other adverse effects, which we have addressed repeatedly.

We're at an impasse. You have no medical training, no daily clinical experience with CV, a very poor understanding of viruses and immunology, and nobody (other than maybe your own parents) listens to anything you say, and it drives you crazy.

I'll avoid directly responding to you from now on. It's probably better that way.

Those are some nice ad hominems and appeals to authority, bro. Super convincing. Lemme know when you wanna engage with the actual data, including the supposed "evidence" from Pfizer that the risks of vaccinating young kids outweigh the benefits. You and I both know what you're talking about from Pfizer is a MODEL ("Scenario 3" in their EUA papers), not data, that is based on assumptions about extremely low levels of COVID spread (which is not the case in the real world) and assumptions about the rate of myocarditis in younger children being the same as in older children (where we know it is higher, likely due to hormonal changes).

 

[BP4Prez]

No, i am not wishing they would die because they disagree with my "opinion." It's because they risk other peoples lives by refusing to be vexed or wear a mask. Those people say innocent persons should risk death because brain dead narcissists believe their right to go unmasked and unvaccinated trumps the innocents ability to live. Those kind of people can die and I won't miss them.

OK how about this, if you go unvaxxed and unmasked and you catch it, you don't risk the lives of heath are workers by going to the hospital. Just sit at home and take your horse dewormer. But no, most of the nutcases start begging for the vaccine once they're in the ICU looking the grim reaper in the eyes.

Go to antivaxxer.com. He posts the facebook and twitter posts from people who were anti-vaxxers and then caught it and had to go on the respirators. There are some who go down with their beliefs to the last breath. I can respect that, it's stupid, but they stuck with their position. But most either want to blame someone else, want God to save them (I can respect that religious commitment as well) or beg for the vaccine.

If you are vaccinated and it works what do you have to fear? How are the innocent people risking death if the vaccine works? And I think it does, as far as keeping people from dying (it obviously doesn’t keep you from catching it or spreading it, though).

 

[tntar heel]

Used to have a coworker pass out with flu shots. Craziest thing I’ve ever witnessed.

Had a Recon SSG when was in military that we had to lay down on an exam table each time before a vaccination because he would pass out. This guy was a huge ball of muscle Samoan triple canopy (Airborne, Ranger, Special Forces) door kicker. He would turn white as snow and crumble to the floor at the sight of a needle coming toward him.

 

[evillawyer]

Boom! We pro-vax libs just got owned, and bigly!

Kidney Patient Rejects Transplant to Stay Anti-Vax

 

[evillawyer]

But where's the fun in getting vaxxed and not owning the libs?

 

[utvolpj]

But where's the fun in getting vaxxed and not owning the libs?

So more than half couldn't have been averted?

 

[0nelilreb]

So more than half couldn't have been averted?

Probably if they had marked the difference between .. “ With “ and “ From” Covid in those statistics.

 

[rjd970]

But where's the fun in getting vaxxed and not owning the libs?

3 things:

1. Is this “with” or “from”? I get why they don’t want to say and this should be the first question anybody asks.

2. “Age specific” doesn’t say a whole lot. If this is 65+ or one has an underlying condition that makes it worse I would argue that they are a small % of the overall population. Also, this is total number, not % or per 100,000. Comparing US and Denmark is almost laughable.

3. The source of the graphic is a journalist, albeit a “data analysis journalist” whatever that means. It’s not surprising there isn’t any analysis below the first 6 inches. Why go deeper if you found what you wanted?

Again - the guy creating the graph, the Twitter warrior posting it, and you re-posting it are part of the problem why this won’t go away. Any normal person would be embarrassed after posting this to make some point.

 

[evillawyer]

3 things:

1. Is this “with” or “from”? I get why they don’t want to say and this should be the first question anybody asks.

2. “Age specific” doesn’t say a whole lot. If this is 65+ or one has an underlying condition that makes it worse I would argue that they are a small % of the overall population. Also, this is total number, not % or per 100,000. Comparing US and Denmark is almost laughable.

3. The source of the graphic is a journalist, albeit a “data analysis journalist” whatever that means. It’s not surprising there isn’t any analysis below the first 6 inches. Why go deeper if you found what you wanted?

Again - the guy creating the graph, the Twitter warrior posting it, and you re-posting it are part of the problem why this won’t go away. Any normal person would be embarrassed after posting this to make some point.

Only on VN do poster think this guy is a chump (Eric Topol - Wikipedia), while sopping up the COVID musings of the esteemed Joe Rogan.

 

[ButchPlz]

3 things:

1. Is this “with” or “from”? I get why they don’t want to say and this should be the first question anybody asks.

2. “Age specific” doesn’t say a whole lot. If this is 65+ or one has an underlying condition that makes it worse I would argue that they are a small % of the overall population. Also, this is total number, not % or per 100,000. Comparing US and Denmark is almost laughable.

3. The source of the graphic is a journalist, albeit a “data analysis journalist” whatever that means. It’s not surprising there isn’t any analysis below the first 6 inches. Why go deeper if you found what you wanted?

Again - the guy creating the graph, the Twitter warrior posting it, and you re-posting it are part of the problem why this won’t go away. Any normal person would be embarrassed after posting this to make some point.

There's not a lot of decent explanation on their methodology, either. I could whip open Photoshop or Tableau and make a graph littered with baseless assumptions just as easily.

 

[utvolpj]

Only on VN do poster think this guy is a chump (Eric Topol - Wikipedia), while sopping up the COVID musings of the esteemed Joe Rogan.

Just like the deathsantis crowd lapped up bad data from a geography major. Bad data is bad data

 

[VolinWayne]

Anecdotes, personal experience, data, it's all part of it. Do you know anyone with a bad vaccine reaction? I don't but I know there are some. But there are far far fewer people with serious vaccine side effects than with serious covid effects.

2 of my employees have been complaining about their heart and they are having chest pains ever since they got vaccinated. Never had any heart issues prior to this. It's pretty easy to connect the dots.