Vaccine or not?

[rjd970]

The article details it's methodology

So are the hospitalizations “of” or “with” Covid? If there is a single discriminator that needs to be called out, specifically, that is it. The interpretation is completely different depending on it. I didn’t see this anywhere in the article. I don’t care how many PhD’s re-post it, this will tell the story and keeping this qualifier out is dishonest at best, and intentional fear mongering at worst.

Furthermore, I found this little gem:

According to data published on Friday by the French directorate of research, studies, evaluation and statistics, an unvaccinated 70-year-old who tests positive for Omicron is still about twice as likely to end up in an intensive care unit as an unvaccinated 40-year-old with Delta. However, the risk is cut in half from 1.9 per cent to 0.9 per cent if they have received two vaccine doses. A booster dose takes their risk down three-fold again to just 0.3 per cent, one-third of the risk of the unvaccinated 40-year-old with Delta.

And this:

“The truth is that an 80-year-old that’s vaccinated and boosted and gets Covid most of the time has nothing more than a cold,” said Phillip Coule, professor of emergency medicine at the Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University. By contrast, he added, “a healthy 50-year-old who’s a little bit overweight, has problems with blood pressure or diabetes and is not vaccinated at all ends up in the ICU”.

So old and fat people are most at risk if they get the virus. How does this in anyway build the case for overall population vaccination? If anything these snippets are - very bluntly - building the case that young healthy people DON’T need it.

It’s past stupid and frustrating to have to go through all the crap out there one at a time to correctly interpret and de-bunk the surface message being reported.

Just stop posting it. The message simply doesn’t add up to the data.

 

[0nelilreb]

Only on VN do poster think this guy is a chump (Eric Topol - Wikipedia), while sopping up the COVID musings of the esteemed Joe Rogan.

So you think there’s not a difference in those two statistics ? That being in the hospital “ with “ a positive Covid test vs being in the hospital “ from “ Covid symptoms?

 

[0nelilreb]

Had one of my techs call out this morning because of a huge boil on his ass. He had his second Pfizer shot a couple weeks ago. coincidence?

Stick a needle in it , rub some dirt on it , and let’s go Mary !

Edit : I’m just kidding , I don’t know what his name is .

 

[NorthDallas40]

FDA fully approves Moderna's COVID vaccine

Any parsing yet on the approval to see if it’s the exact same formulation as the EUA version or if it’s “equivalent but legally distinct” and you have a snow ball’s chance in hell of ever seeing the FDA approved version like PFizer?

 

[NorthDallas40]

So the wording on this one appears less ambiguous. And I didn’t see any of that “legally distinct” BS however they still switch to the EUA authorized language later in the release.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Takes Key Action by Approving Second COVID-19 Vaccine

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved a second COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine; the approved vaccine will be marketed as Spikevax for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older.

Spikevax has the same formulation as the EUA Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and is administered as a primary series of two doses, one month apart. Spikevax can be used interchangeably with the EUA Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine remains available under EUA as a two-dose primary series for individuals 18 years of age and older,…

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

But where's the fun in getting vaxxed and not owning the libs?

Isn’t conjecture fun?

 

[ButchPlz]

So the wording on this one appears less ambiguous. And I didn’t see any of that “legally distinct” BS however they still switch to the EUA authorized language later in the release.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Takes Key Action by Approving Second COVID-19 Vaccine

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved a second COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine; the approved vaccine will be marketed as Spikevax for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older.

Spikevax has the same formulation as the EUA Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and is administered as a primary series of two doses, one month apart. Spikevax can be used interchangeably with the EUA Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine remains available under EUA as a two-dose primary series for individuals 18 years of age and older,…

Great, hopefully they'll be opened up to lawsuits soon.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Great, hopefully they'll be opened up to lawsuits soon.

Not until the approved vaccines are actually available to the public.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Not until the approved vaccines are actually available to the public.

I am guessing it’s still way to early to see if any product specifically labeled SpikeVax will be available?

 

[kiddiedoc]

I am guessing it’s still way to early to see if any product specifically labeled SpikeVax will be available?

Considering it's been nearly 6 months and still no approved Pfizer product, I'd say that's a safe bet.

 

[AthensVol2007]

So are the hospitalizations “of” or “with” Covid? If there is a single discriminator that needs to be called out, specifically, that is it. The interpretation is completely different depending on it. I didn’t see this anywhere in the article. I don’t care how many PhD’s re-post it, this will tell the story and keeping this qualifier out is dishonest at best, and intentional fear mongering at worst.

Furthermore, I found this little gem:


And this:



So old and fat people are most at risk if they get the virus. How does this in anyway build the case for overall population vaccination? If anything these snippets are - very bluntly - building the case that young healthy people DON’T need it.

It’s past stupid and frustrating to have to go through all the crap out there one at a time to correctly interpret and de-bunk the surface message being reported.

Just stop posting it. The message simply doesn’t add up to the data.

How do they say a “healthy 50 year old” then follow it up with “who is overweight and has BP issues or diabetes”? Would that not be the definition of an unhealthy person?

 

[rjd970]

How do they say a “healthy 50 year old” then follow it up with “who is overweight and has BP issues or diabetes”? Would that not be the definition of an unhealthy person?

There isn’t a lot in the article that fits the narrative @evillawyer wants. I suspect he will just ignore and/or move on to the next Twitter post.

So tired of this, and it is that kind of crap that is keeping this thing going and affecting our kids. My kid was in virtual all last week and it was hell on both of us. I really believe this is starting to have a psychological effect on him. He just is t functioning in school like he did before this hit. Masking, virtual learning, social distancing gym class, lunch at desks, can’t use lockers, etc.

We would all be over this if people would stop spreading narratives and start spreading the actual data with underlying assumptions. It’s actually shameful. The only way we are going to move past this is to decide we will. Two years in and the data and understanding of this virus is clear. We can all make our own informed decision at this point and need to stop forcing/shaming others into what we may or may not think is best for them.

It’s time to move on, make accommodations for those that want it, and get back to normal for everyone else.

 

[ButchPlz]

How do they say a “healthy 50 year old” then follow it up with “who is overweight and has BP issues or diabetes”? Would that not be the definition of an unhealthy person?

Same idiots that say fat is beautiful and being a walking hamplanet is "health".

 

[kiddiedoc]

There isn’t a lot in the article that fits the narrative @evillawyer wants. I suspect he will just ignore and/or move on to the next Twitter post.

So tired of this, and it is that kind of crap that is keeping this thing going and affecting our kids. My kid was in virtual all last week and it was hell on both of us. I really believe this is starting to have a psychological effect on him. He just is t functioning in school like he did before this hit. Masking, virtual learning, social distancing gym class, lunch at desks, can’t use lockers, etc.

We would all be over this if people would stop spreading narratives and start spreading the actual data with underlying assumptions. It’s actually shameful. The only way we are going to move past this is to decide we will. Two years in and the data and understanding of this virus is clear. We can all make our own informed decision at this point and need to stop forcing/shaming others into what we may or may not think is best for them.

It’s time to move on, make accommodations for those that want it, and get back to normal for everyone else.

*Standing round of applause*

 

[BP4Prez]

Great, hopefully they'll be opened up to lawsuits soon.

Will be the same situation as Phizer. You won’t find “Spikevax” anywhere.

 

[DonjoVol]

At least it’s from an impartial member of the medical community with no financial incentive for continuing a non required and ineffective vaccination regime

That's one thing I'm really skeptical of Trump about. Gottlieb served as FDA director under Trump. Gottlieb now is on the board of Pfizer. Both are pushing these vaccines.

 

[LouderVol]

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not whether or not you received an experimental drug with no repercussions for the big pharma corps (the same who caused the opiate epidemic) who are getting even richer off it.

Jesus, that's a good point. Forgot about the opiates.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

He sent me a picture, very nasty.

Not sure if serious...

 

[WBO]

Boom! We pro-vax libs just got owned, and bigly!

Kidney Patient Rejects Transplant to Stay Anti-Vax

Actually I kind of feel sorry for this guy. Severe diabetic to the point of having both legs amputated. That usually means he wasn't very compliant in his management of the disease (he looks pretty large, I guess that could be pre-transplant drugs but he's not on the list so why take the drugs). Well he's going to show Wake Forest Hospital, he'll die on them.

 

[ButchPlz]

Actually I kind of feel sorry for this guy. Severe diabetic to the point of having both legs amputated. That usually means he wasn't very compliant in his management of the disease (he looks pretty large, I guess that could be pre-transplant drugs but he's not on the list so why take the drugs). Well he's going to show Wake Forest Hospital, he'll die on them.

Probably ought not make fun of those that you resemble, lard lad.

 

[MurphyVol]

If Omni is the prevalent strain then all the boosters you get are just placebos.

I asked my Dr about the booster and if, in her opinion, I should bother with it.

Again, let me say that I'm anti-mandate and also don't really care what anyone else does. Just sharing my experience. Also, I'll certainly admit that Cherokee County NC is a microcosm of a microcosm.

She said absolutely breakthrough cases are happening. She also said that's what everyone wants to focus on. She pulled up the data from December that showed 360 positive tests in the county.

Of the positive tests, 80% were unvaccinated and 95% were un-boosted.

So if you boil it down to just a yes or no, yes breakthrough cases are regularly happening, however they are less frequent (much less frequent when boosted) when vaccinated.

She said the hospital was pretty taxed right now and had been for some time. So far she said that they've seen just a few hospitalizations with a vax and maybe one with a boost.

Also, she said despite what you may hear, Delta is still around. Not nearly as much, but they just had a perfectly healthy 50 year old, 165 lbs with zero underlying conditions just be released from a 3 1/2 week hospital stay with Delta. They came pretty close to venting him but he pulled through.

 

[n_huffhines]

Can anybody get past this paywall (The Economist) and give me some highlights?

People with covid jabs have been less likely to die of other causes

 

[Vol8188]

Can anybody get past this paywall (The Economist) and give me some highlights?

People with covid jabs have been less likely to die of other causes

The chart itself seems to tell the story. No change in death for people 44 or under. Very little change from 45-64; massive change in death rates for those over 85.

You also have to accept that X% of those 85 and up who are unvaccinated and died, did so because they were unable to get vaccinated due to other serious underlying health factors. So it's not nearly as impressive as it sounds.

 

[WBO]

Probably ought not make fun of those that you resemble, lard lad.

You don't know me so how can you make that statement? But then again this just proves how truth doesn't seem to filter down through the right wing nuts. Actual knowledge of the truth is not required. Why don't you just take another sip of your Mountain Dew and a take hit on that meth pipe.

We've already established that you're full of crap.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I asked my Dr about the booster and if, in her opinion, I should bother with it.

Again, let me say that I'm anti-mandate and also don't really care what anyone else does. Just sharing my experience. Also, I'll certainly admit that Cherokee County NC is a microcosm of a microcosm.

She said absolutely breakthrough cases are happening. She also said that's what everyone wants to focus on. She pulled up the data from December that showed 360 positive tests in the county.

Of the positive tests, 80% were unvaccinated and 95% were un-boosted.

So if you boil it down to just a yes or no, yes breakthrough cases are regularly happening, however they are less frequent (much less frequent when boosted) when vaccinated.

She said the hospital was pretty taxed right now and had been for some time. So far she said that they've seen just a few hospitalizations with a vax and maybe one with a boost.

Also, she said despite what you may hear, Delta is still around. Not nearly as much, but they just had a perfectly healthy 50 year old, 165 lbs with zero underlying conditions just be released from a 3 1/2 week hospital stay with Delta. They came pretty close to venting him but he pulled through.

But, the Pfizer CEO said these shots don't work with Omicron. So the booster is basically made for Delta. There's no justification for taking it. By the time they make this omicron booster, we will be already on the next variant.

And I get a DR can pull data as we all can. I know a couple of nurses that say the opposite of your doctors data is happening. At this point, data from the government, CDC, NIH etc. really can't be trusted at this point, at least for me, after watching them the last two years.