Vaccine or not?

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BowlBrother85 said:
The link below speaks to how well the COVID vaccines "worked" in 2021.

It is from seven weeks ago, when the Omicron variant wave was just starting to peak, but I consciously avoided posting anything from the CDC, or in any way related to Dr. Anthony Fauci or affiliated with a media outlet.

How COVID vaccines shaped 2021 in eight powerful charts
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You know what else worked well? Nothing but natural immunity. That is for over 99% anyway.
 
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I visited with a wood plant in the sticks the other day..just anecdotal but a few of the guys in the lunch room said they had COVID multiple times..more than two, yet another perfectly healthy customer anecdote and he almost died. Just so random. If anything, Lets throw money at the randomness. Now that the vax is so pronounced, just throws another random into the equation.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
How do you know? You can't say that without a person catching it before they took the shot and then catching it after they took the shot.
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Comparison of infection, hospitalization, and death rates for vaccinated and unvaccinated populations works. And it shows that the vaccines are very effective. Even the worst of the vaccines is effective in preventing serious illness and death.
 
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C-south said:
Considering the vaccine manufacturers said the current vaccine does nothing against Omni then natural immunity is what we all have. Damn near every vaccinated person I know had a recent breakthrough but pulled through just fine…..just like every unvaccinated person I know including myself, twice infected.
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The consensus opinion among epidemiologists, is that being vaccinated does reduce the chances of becoming seriously ill and hospitalized following a breakthrough infection.

Which manufacturer are you talking about? Can you provide a link to what was specifically said about their vaccine's effectiveness against the Omicron variant?
 
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EasternVol said:
Comparison of infection, hospitalization, and death rates for vaccinated and unvaccinated populations works. And it shows that the vaccines are very effective. Even the worst of the vaccines is effective in preventing serious illness and death.
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For what age group? What underlying conditions?

I had it and it was a small head cold.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
For what age group? What underlying conditions?

I had it and it was a small head cold.
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I'm glad it was minor for you. It's a weird disease; some young fit people get hammered and some that should be at risk have just minor symptoms.
To answer your question, the comparison is valid for all ages and underlying conditions can be factored.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I don't know what exactly Google does but it seems they manipulate the news feed so that certain stories always get pushed back a few pages. I just always have better luck finding unbiased news using other search engines other then Google.
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Lol. You think the news you're getting from these websites you trot out are unbiased?

Bruh. You're literally searching for and finding nutty "news" like this that are written specifically to confirm your bias. I'm certain you haven't stopped for even a second to consider that the outrageous "news" of the German "shoot on sight" mayor could be complete bullsh*t and that is why no other news outlet has picked up on it.

You eat up and propagate fakenews and are completely oblivious to it.

It'd be amusing if it weren't so sad.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Well, I've had about 1,500 kids with COVID, and none with myocarditis or any long term sequelae, so there's one dot on the graph.
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And when I was on service last, I had a perfectly healthy and thriving toddler present with Covid. She has been on ECMO for the past 2 weeks…. A dot on the graph too.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You’re a real Johnny/Jeanette come lately pushing your own brand of confirmation bias. You seem eaten up with the Myocarditis claims. You made a snide remark yesterday or the day before about people not being able to understand statistics while completely ignoring the entire set of statistics. RE booster shots in young people, I posed the question back on why would you consider the booster in a young person when you factor in the entire set of data where they had been vaxed but not boosted. With the already slim chance of hospitalization in their age group why take the added risk and just get the booster? I mean you are all about statistics… right?
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Sorry I must of have missed your question. I have before and continue to admit that I have biases. I strive to avoid them whenever possible. Some of my biases I have the hardest time avoiding but continue to try come from seeing the terrible effect covid 19 has had on previously healthy children I take care of. Watching kids suffer through multi-system organ failure (myocarditis causing heart failure, kidney failure requiring continuous dialysis, lung and liver failure) due to acute covid and MISC post covid I would expect would have that effect on a lot of folks. Even if it only happens to a small number of children, it’s hard to watch these patients suffer and heartbreaking seeing their families suffer alongside them. Again I missed your reply but happy to look at the data you presented and comment if I feel like I can.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Is it happening because of the vaccine or because they had covid? Studies have shown myocarditis can come from either one.
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That is a fair question. I'd love to see a team of doctors and scientists do some intense research and analysis on each one of these athletes that have died. As it is, nobody really even talks about it and we are just supposed to assume this is normal. I think it's a fair question to ask, what was the common denominator in the majority of these deaths. I might add that this team needs to be unbiased and not have anyone involved who is making profits off of big pharma.
 
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Septic said:
Lol. You think the news you're getting from these websites you trot out are unbiased?

Bruh. You're literally searching for and finding nutty "news" like this that are written specifically to confirm your bias. I'm certain you haven't stopped for even a second to consider that the outrageous "news" of the German "shoot on sight" mayor could be complete bullsh*t and that is why no other news outlet has picked up on it.

You eat up and propagate fakenews and are completely oblivious to it.

It'd be amusing if it weren't so sad.
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I actually did stop and consider that this could be fake news. I stated in my post "please tell me this is fake news". I'm pretty sure I then also posted after doing a little further research that he did not actually give the order to shoot people but he did approve the use of weapons when necessary to stop protests. Nutty news to you is anything outside of mainstream media. Unfortunately mainstream media has lost all credibility with all of the lies they have propagated over the past 5 years and as a result many normal Americans have learned to just tune them out. I'd love to see mainstream media go back to simply reporting the news in an unbiased manner and without an agenda. As it is, mainstream media is truly the enemy of the people.
 
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willidan said:
Sorry I must of have missed your question. I have before and continue to admit that I have biases. I strive to avoid them whenever possible. Some of my biases I have the hardest time avoiding but continue to try come from seeing the terrible effect covid 19 has had on previously healthy children I take care of. Watching kids suffer through multi-system organ failure (myocarditis causing heart failure, kidney failure requiring continuous dialysis, lung and liver failure) due to acute covid and MISC post covid I would expect would have that effect on a lot of folks. Even if it only happens to a small number of children, it’s hard to watch these patients suffer and heartbreaking seeing their families suffer alongside them. Again I missed your reply but happy to look at the data you presented and comment if I feel like I can.
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These are terrible however the point has always been that you don't make national policy for hundreds of millions based on a few select cases.
 
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willidan said:
And when I was on service last, I had a perfectly healthy and thriving toddler present with Covid. She has been on ECMO for the past 2 weeks…. A dot on the graph too.
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Another "dot:" in 2 years of the pandemic, not a single person less than 18 years old has died from/with CV19 in the 19 county Knox Co region.
 
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