Vaccine or not?

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Orangeburst said:


You lose RB you are really losing
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@Rickyvol77

At the 9:00-10:20 mark, this is the perfect example of what we should be concerned about with regards to predictive policing (pre-crime). If the perceived threat is thought to be dangerous enough, then there are no measures that would be considered too extreme. The virus is dangerous, so there are people that rationalize taking whatever measures necessary to combat the virus. Terrorism is dangerous, so politicians take whatever measures necessary to fight terrorism. Reefer smokers, people carrying large amounts of cash, people driving with guns and house guests not wearing masks are dangerous, so whatever measures that need to be taken to fight these things are perfectly acceptable....
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
I don't and will not trust the 18 year old "opinion fact checkers." You're welcome yo do so.

The military is in a age group that doesn't need the experimental shot.
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You can use whatever source you want. Your answer to this question doesn't have to come from one of the fact-checking sites.

How many of the 211 million fully-vaccinated people in the United States have dropped "because of heart problems from the shot?"
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You can use whatever source you want. Your answer to this question doesn't have to come from one of the fact-checking sites.

How many of the 211 million fully-vaccinated people in the United States have dropped "because of heart problems from the shot?"
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Well for that answer you would have to ask the CDC, NIH, Pfizer, Moderna, and our government to release the numbers.
 
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willidan said:
The Daily Mail…. Ha. Top doctors…. So they found two people who can’t interpret stats.
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It would appear that they have a very good grasp at interpreting statistics. It’s the same conclusion I came to for myself.

The CDC has recorded two such cases among a group of 20,000 and the prevalence is about 10 out of 100,000 in boosted teenagers. In comparison, vaccinated teen boys only had a 0.3 out of 100,000 chance of being hospitalized with COVID, according to the agency's COVID briefings and Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices report in early January.

Both Gandhi and Offit, who have advocated for the vaccine and gotten themselves and their children vaccinated, claimed the CDC was premature in advising teens to get a COVID booster shot on January 5, with Gandhi saying, 'I am not giving my 12 and 14-year-old boys boosters.'

Offit said he advised his 20-year-old son to avoid the third dose and said the booster would not be worth the risk for 'the average healthy 17-year-old boy.'
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TheDeeble said:
Where are the numbers for people that have previously recovered from Covid and have had no shots?
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No shots here. Had Covid in November of ‘20 as well as girlfriend and all the kids. About 10 days ago she had symptoms and tested positive. A couple days later I had a bit of a runny nose and occasional cough but I didn’t even bother getting tested. I’m sure that’s what it was though. I’m sure the kids had it again as well. The latest variant seems to be making rounds and doesn’t care if you’ve had 5 boosters or previously had Covid.
 
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C-south said:
No shots here. Had Covid in November of ‘20 as well as girlfriend and all the kids. About 10 days ago she had symptoms and tested positive. A couple days later I had a bit of a runny nose and occasional cough but I didn’t even bother getting tested. I’m sure that’s what it was though. I’m sure the kids had it again as well. The latest variant seems to be making rounds and doesn’t care if you’ve had 5 boosters or previously had Covid.
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This has been pretty much my universal experience with patients and their families in the past 4-5 weeks. Several have had grandparents and great-grandparents catch it and recover fine, most of which had taken the shots.
 
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C-south said:
No shots here. Had Covid in November of ‘20 as well as girlfriend and all the kids. About 10 days ago she had symptoms and tested positive. A couple days later I had a bit of a runny nose and occasional cough but I didn’t even bother getting tested. I’m sure that’s what it was though. I’m sure the kids had it again as well. The latest variant seems to be making rounds and doesn’t care if you’ve had 5 boosters or previously had Covid.
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Yep, Unfortunately gonna be like the flu and other respiratory viruses. Immunity likely will not be long lasting (multiple years) whether from shot or infection. If it was we would already have herd immunity by now
 
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kiddiedoc said:
This has been pretty much my universal experience with patients and their families in the past 4-5 weeks. Several have had grandparents and great-grandparents catch it and recover fine, most of which had taken the shots.
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Thankful that it’s so much weaker than the delta variant. That one devastated my family and extended family. Had one cousin hospitalized for two weeks but luckily survived and a second cousin die of it back in august. With the new one every single person I know has gotten over it in 5 days at max.
 
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Big Orange#1 said:
Thankful that it’s so much weaker than the delta variant. That one devastated my family and extended family. Had one cousin hospitalized for two weeks but luckily survived and a second cousin die of it back in august. With the new one every single person I know has gotten over it in 5 days at max.
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Sorry to hear about your loss. Sucks.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, they rail against all mandates... including mask mandates imposed by private businesses.
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They argue that the mandates are pointless and worthless, which they are. They DO NOT say that private businesses don’t have the right to impose them or shouldn’t be allowed to impose them.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
They argue that the mandates are pointless and worthless, which they are. They DO NOT say that private businesses don’t have the right to impose them or shouldn’t be allowed to impose them.
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Without informing their viewership, that their own business has also issued a vaccine mandate (in December). Fox News is therefore, guilty of hypocrisy.
 
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Thomas Muller makes a great point. It is absolutely not normal for this many completely healthy athletes to drop like flies from heart attacks. 106 healthy athletes died from cardiac arrest or similar issues in January alone. 603 since March of last year and these are only cases that they could find articles and documentation to support these claims. This warrants a full investigation to document the vaccination status of each one of these athletes tragic deaths.

603 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 374 Dead, After COVID Shot - Real Science
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You can use whatever source you want. Your answer to this question doesn't have to come from one of the fact-checking sites.

How many of the 211 million fully-vaccinated people in the United States have dropped "because of heart problems from the shot?"
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Reproductive problems have at least tripled in the military within the last year, including miscarriages. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though. Please explain to me why people who are young and healthy need the jab? Doesn't protect other people from them at all if they catch it.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Top doctors refuse to give their own kids a third shot due to myocarditis concerns | Daily Mail Online
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This shouldn’t be controversial at all. It’s basic math. Some claim the shots are more likely to give you myocarditis, some say covid is. Let’s assume it’s equal.

If the vaccine is equal to Covid in terms of likelihood of getting myocarditis, but if you give it to your kid 3x (2 shots and a booster) you’ve tripled your child’s chance of myocarditis vs covid.

The studies suggests the shots are slightly worse than covid though because they’re showing 4-5x instead of 3x the incidence of myocarditis
 
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Vol8188 said:
This shouldn’t be controversial at all. It’s basic math. Some claim the shots are more likely to give you myocarditis, some say covid is. Let’s assume it’s equal.

If the vaccine is equal to Covid in terms of likelihood of getting covid, but if you give it to your kid 3x (2 shots and a booster) you’ve tripled your child’s chance of myocarditis vs covid.

The studies suggests the shots are slightly worse than covid though because they’re showing 4-5x instead of 3x the incidence of myocarditis
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This also ignores the other known and unknown side effects. If myocarditis alone is a push or nearly, the other would easily favor not giving kids the shots.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Thomas Muller makes a great point. It is absolutely not normal for this many completely healthy athletes to drop like flies from heart attacks. 106 healthy athletes died from cardiac arrest or similar issues in January alone. 603 since March of last year and these are only cases that they could find articles and documentation to support these claims. This warrants a full investigation to document the vaccination status of each one of these athletes tragic deaths.

603 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 374 Dead, After COVID Shot - Real Science
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Fact-check: Are athletes dying from COVID-19 vaccine on playing field?
I think that has been debunked multiple times now.
 
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