Vaccine or not?

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willidan said:
Sorry I must of have missed your question. I have before and continue to admit that I have biases. I strive to avoid them whenever possible. Some of my biases I have the hardest time avoiding but continue to try come from seeing the terrible effect covid 19 has had on previously healthy children I take care of. Watching kids suffer through multi-system organ failure (myocarditis causing heart failure, kidney failure requiring continuous dialysis, lung and liver failure) due to acute covid and MISC post covid I would expect would have that effect on a lot of folks. Even if it only happens to a small number of children, it’s hard to watch these patients suffer and heartbreaking seeing their families suffer alongside them. Again I missed your reply but happy to look at the data you presented and comment if I feel like I can.
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Where exactly is this happening? I'm on staff at Children's and am friends with the Chief of Staff. What you are describing is exceedingly rare. The only local case of CV-associated myocarditis that I'm aware of was actually post-vaccine.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Where exactly is this happening? I'm on staff at Children's and am friends with the Chief of Staff. What you are describing is exceedingly rare. The only local case of CV-associated myocarditis that I'm aware of was actually post-vaccine.
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All over the country. Never said they weren’t rare. We’ve had severe acute covid and post covid MISC devastate pediatric patients however. I know almost everyone in my hospital administration as well as have friends in many other major children’s hospitals throughout the country (UAB, Vanderbilt, Cincinnati Childrens, Nationwide, Mayo in Rochester, MUSC in Charleston, UT Memphis, ETSU, Duke, UNC, etc) who would also speak of the terrible effects it can have on otherwise healthy children.
 
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The experts have been wrong for two years and continue to be called experts.

The liberals are mad at everyone over covid except China and these experts that have been continuously wrong.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I actually did stop and consider that this could be fake news. I stated in my post "please tell me this is fake news". I'm pretty sure I then also posted after doing a little further research that he did not actually give the order to shoot people, but he did approve the use of weapons when necessary to stop protests. Nutty news to you is anything outside of mainstream media. Unfortunately mainstream media has lost all credibility with all of the lies they have propagated over the past 5 years and as a result many normal Americans have learned to just tune them out. I'd love to see mainstream media go back to simply reporting the news in an unbiased manner and without an agenda. As it is, mainstream media is truly the enemy of the people.
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Rational people would have questioned the headline and premise right off the bat, verified it was BS and moved on - but not you. Instead, you float it and then tuck and run when called out - just like you do with all of these fringe websites you prop up as being alternatives to "mainstream media", they aren't. You search them out and propagate their fake news while trying to sell everyone on the fact that you've got a monopoly on deciphering what's true and what's not.
 
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willidan said:
Didn’t realize millions of kids like in north east tennessee where these 30 kids presented from… This is a report from a relatively small childrens hospital in East Tennessee. This is happening everywhere.
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Another point- this assertion is totally absent any detail. Had these kids been vaccinated? Do they have other conditions? Last, this doesn't really jive with the total of 2,300 such cases around the entire US.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So, you Google an article from October and now you're an expert? I recently discussed this with the physician referenced in your article. There have been no serious outcomes of MIS-C (including the one child I admitted, home in 24 hours). Additionally, the incidence of MIS-C is significantly lower with the new strain.
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You asked where this is happening. I did a simple google search and the first article was that one demonstrating that it was happening in our back yard. You said you’ve only heard of one case of myocarditis and that was due to vaccine but now say you admitted a mild MISC case, of which one of the diagnostic criteria is myocarditis. So which is it? Now you also talked to the physician who took care of 30 MISC kids but only know of one case of myocarditis and that was due to vaccine. So which is it? I don’t know what you consider a serious outcome. Though rare, kids have died from MISC. A simple google search would show you that too. I would consider a child dying serious.
 
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willidan said:
Sorry I must of have missed your question. I have before and continue to admit that I have biases. I strive to avoid them whenever possible. Some of my biases I have the hardest time avoiding but continue to try come from seeing the terrible effect covid 19 has had on previously healthy children I take care of. Watching kids suffer through multi-system organ failure (myocarditis causing heart failure, kidney failure requiring continuous dialysis, lung and liver failure) due to acute covid and MISC post covid I would expect would have that effect on a lot of folks. Even if it only happens to a small number of children, it’s hard to watch these patients suffer and heartbreaking seeing their families suffer alongside them. Again I missed your reply but happy to look at the data you presented and comment if I feel like I can.
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It was in response to an article on boosters for children less than 16. It’s a bigger picture than just risk of myocarditis from COVID or from the jab. Children are in a very low risk of severe outcomes to start and the risk is further minimized by the vax. When boosters come into the discussion in this group and you consider their whole life ahead of them Id submit if you look at all the statistics and really ask is a booster needed and does it make sense. There is a ridiculous narrative in this country being pushed that every time a jab is recommended everyone should line up and get it. And it’s being blindly supported by the medical community and I’ve read the loaded statements coming out like “a 10x higher chance of hospitalization without the booster than with the booster!” and it’s hyperbolic fear porn. 0.001 is 10x higher than 0.0001. (Just numbers as examples not claiming actual rates) Neither is a significant value that necessarily warrants any action.

I haven’t been boosted myself and really have no plan to do so. I’m healthy, 57, and have no other comorbities. All the data say if I contract it I have a very low risk of a severe outcome. That should be enough people should just accept each person’s personal choice especially if they’ve based it on their own personal risk factors. And this absolutely extends to their children. It’s a difficult enough decision to have to make without the peanut gallery… “helping”.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It was in response to an article on boosters for children less than 16. It’s a bigger picture than just risk of myocarditis from COVID or from the jab. Children are in a very low risk of severe outcomes to start and the risk is further minimized by the vax. When boosters come into the discussion in this group and you consider their whole life ahead of them Id submit if you look at all the statistics and really ask is a booster needed and does it make sense. There is a ridiculous narrative in this country being pushed that every time a jab is recommended everyone should line up and get it. And it’s being blindly supported by the medical community and I’ve read the loaded statements coming out like “a 10x higher chance of hospitalization without the booster than with the booster!” and it’s hyperbolic fear porn. 0.001 is 10x higher than 0.0001. (Just numbers as examples not claiming actual rates) Neither is a significant value that necessarily warrants any action.

I haven’t been boosted myself and really have no plan to do so. I’m healthy, 57, and have no other comorbities. All the data say if I contract it I have a very low risk of a severe outcome. That should be enough people should just accept each person’s personal choice especially if they’ve based it on their own personal risk factors. And this absolutely extends to their children. It’s a difficult enough decision to have to make without the peanut gallery… “helping”.
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I'll even say that most people with comorbidities have a pretty low chance of anything bad.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'll even say that most people with comorbidities have a pretty low chance of anything bad.
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They do have a higher risk though. I’m just sick and tired of the peanut gallery forcing one possible outcome and REALLY tired of hearing medical “professionals” doing it. Any asshat the makes a blind statement of “get your booster when your eligible” forfeits any demand for a office visit with a patient to set the course of action. When I call demanding an antibiotic cough it up and shut up. They should ALL be saying “talk to your doctor about your situation and see if the booster makes sense for your specific health case.”
 
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willidan said:
You asked where this is happening. I did a simple google search and the first article was that one demonstrating that it was happening in our back yard. You said you’ve only heard of one case of myocarditis and that was due to vaccine but now say you admitted a mild MISC case, of which one of the diagnostic criteria is myocarditis. So which is it? Now you also talked to the physician who took care of 30 MISC kids but only know of one case of myocarditis and that was due to vaccine. So which is it? I don’t know what you consider a serious outcome. Though rare, kids have died from MISC. A simple google search would show you that too. I would consider a child dying serious.
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So just a suggestion take it or not if you like. Closing any post in this forum with an emotional appeal to authority is blood in the water to most of us. It is an illogical basis to argue from. The point either stands on its own merits or it doesn’t. If you need emotional hyperbole to sell it it’s going to get discounted. I offer this as merely friendly advice.
 
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willidan said:
Though rare, kids have died from MISC. A simple google search would show you that too. I would consider a child dying serious.
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Not a single one in the entire region in 24 months.

Want to look into suicides? Overdoses? Depression? Obesity? Missed diagnoses due to avoidance of medical care?

...All a direct result of fearmongers like yourself directly misrepresenting the actual risk of CV in children. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You want to know the actual risk a child has of dying from/with CV in a given year? It's almost exactly the same as getting struck by lightning. Drowning is three times more likely, and dying in a MVA is many-fold higher.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Not a single one in the entire region in 24 months.

Want to look into suicides? Overdoses? Depression? Obesity? Missed diagnoses due to avoidance of medical care?

...All a direct result of fearmongers like yourself directly misrepresenting the actual risk of CV in children. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You want to know the actual risk a child has of dying from/with CV in a given year? It's almost exactly the same as getting struck by lightning. Drowning is three times more likely, and dying in a MVA is many-fold higher.
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Do kids die or not from this? They do and that is fact. Is it rare? I’ve said as much many times. Do people die at higher rates from other things. Of course they do but we were discussing covid deaths which can be preventable with vaccination. I agree we have seen an increase in psychiatric illness during the pandemic. Show me the evidence it’s a direct result of fearmongering or that I misrepresented anything. One person in this string said that they only know of 1 case of myocarditis and it was due to the vaccine but then said they talked to a colleague who has managed over 30 MISC pts. Shame on me i guess..
 
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