Vaccine or not?

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NorthDallas40 said:
You’re pointing to just what I was screeching in earlier. If I have a doctor say to me “X is 10 times more likely to occur…” without any other context I’ll slap them and scream. It could be 10x more likely and still finding a needle in a haystack level of chance. And that latter has been left off too often in order to push the vaccine and booster narrative, ESPECIALLY in children.
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Like this??
Boosted Americans 97 times less likely to die of virus than unvaccinated; CDC predicts 75,000 more deaths by Feb. 26: Live COVID-19 updates - NewsBreak

“Those were the figures presented Wednesday by Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, based on reports from 25 jurisdictions in the week ending Dec. 4. For every 100,000 people, 9.7 of those who were unvaccinated were killed by the coronavirus, compared to 0.7 of those fully vaccinated and 0.1 of the boosted.”

In other words, 99.9913% of unvaccinated won’t die, compared to 99.9993% of vaccinated and 99.9999% of boosted.

But yes, 9.7 is 97 times higher than 0.1.
 
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willidan said:
Folks, I appreciate the discussion. I try to seek out a variety of information streams across the media spectrum. That is one of the reasons I sometimes frequent the politics section of volnation, to see what patients and people I care for believe about certain topics and where they get those beliefs from. I believe, from my assessment and interpretation of the available data and published primary peer reviewed works, that the benefits of the vaccination significantly outweigh the risks for all folks in which it is currently approved to be administered. This interpretation admittedly could be wrong but I don’t believe it to be. I don’t think me saying that will make a difference but I feel the need to say it. I won’t be commenting anymore here, but best of luck and stay safe. I more frequently come to Volnation because I have a passion for the Vols. I bet most of us can at least agree on that.
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There’s no reason to stop discussing unless you just want to. I hadn’t seen you post before so I tried to engage in a neutral fashion. From this post of yours I think that was the right tack. A couple of people you were interacting with have been getting hammered by agenda driven trolls with no real opinion of their own just water carrying trying to prop up the current party in power. And thus they frankly have no patience left. That’s it. Many of us feel this topic is far from a straight forward medical decision. My own feeling is the larger issue is civil liberties. Cheers back to you and Go Vols
 
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newyorkvol said:
Like this??
Boosted Americans 97 times less likely to die of virus than unvaccinated; CDC predicts 75,000 more deaths by Feb. 26: Live COVID-19 updates - NewsBreak

“Those were the figures presented Wednesday by Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, based on reports from 25 jurisdictions in the week ending Dec. 4. For every 100,000 people, 9.7 of those who were unvaccinated were killed by the coronavirus, compared to 0.7 of those fully vaccinated and 0.1 of the boosted.”

In other words, 99.9913% of unvaccinated won’t die, compared to 99.9993% of vaccinated and 99.9999% of boosted.

But yes, 9.7 is 97 times higher than 0.1.
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EXACTLY like that and that ignorant water carrying shill in particular needs to be shown the door today.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
EXACTLY like that and that ignorant water carrying shill in particular needs to be shown the door today.
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To be fair, the opposite is also true. I saw an anti-vax report stating half of New Zealand’s ICU patients were vaccinated. Which was true. But the population is at 93% vaccinated. So the denominator really tells the story.
 
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VolStrom said:
I ate lunch at a local restaurant a few days ago and noticed a couple of guys several tables away that started out taking off their masks when they took a bite of food and put them back on to chew. One of them apparently grew tired of that and used his napkin to cover his face when he chewed. Some people a ridiculous.
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I see this at work. Since we don’t get off the floor to eat we just eat at the computer. Quite gross actually so I sanitize the area before I eat. I just take my mask off to eat. If anyone is paranoid they can feel free to not approach me, I’m on lunch anyway. The ones that kill me are the ones that replace their mask after each bite… ugh.
 
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newyorkvol said:
To be fair, the opposite is also true. I saw an anti-vax report stating half of New Zealand’s ICU patients were vaccinated. Which was true. But the population is at 93% vaccinated. So the denominator really tells the story.
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That’s all I’m asking. Give us the whole picture.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
And, before one of the numbnuts starts in about "mild myocarditis," a question for the parents on the board:

If you had to choose one of these two unfortunate situations for your child to endure, which would it be?

A) admission to the hospital with CV19 for respiratory observation, some nasal suctioning, possible IV fluid, and likely home in 24-48 hours

B) a diagnosis (and likely hospitalization) for myocarditis
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I would let them gain natural immunity.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
More "misinformation" bites the dust:
COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations by COVID-19 ...
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There were numerous caveats to that conclusion, which were detailed within that link you posted. The one sentence which you posted is a gross over-simplification of the information included in that article. Your conduct on this forum is highly unprofessional. In support of a tribal political agenda, you are misrepresenting research and framing an argument in opposition to vaccines based on deliberately misleading partial information. You are foul and disgusting.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There were numerous caveats to that conclusion, which were detailed within that link you posted. The one sentence which you posted is a gross over-simplification of the information included in that article. Your conduct on this forum is highly unprofessional. In support of a tribal political agenda, you are misrepresenting research and framing an argument in opposition to vaccines based on deliberately misleading partial information. You are foul and disgusting.
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LMFAO

BB85 you ignorant s$&@… 😂

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BowlBrother85 said:
There were numerous caveats to that conclusion, which were detailed within that link you posted. The one sentence which you posted is a gross over-simplification of the information included in that article. Your conduct on this forum is highly unprofessional. In support of a tribal political agenda, you are misrepresenting research and framing an argument in opposition to vaccines based on deliberately misleading partial information. You are foul and disgusting.
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Must censor anyone who disagrees....
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There were numerous caveats to that conclusion, which were detailed within that link you posted. The one sentence which you posted is a gross over-simplification of the information included in that article. Your conduct on this forum is highly unprofessional. In support of a tribal political agenda, you are misrepresenting research and framing an argument in opposition to vaccines based on deliberately misleading partial information. You are foul and disgusting.
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Rich after a long series of drunk and hostile tirades. I continue to see why nobody wants to work with you.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Ignorant? No. I'm just someone who read the whole article, instead of being a sheep like you, who relies on that guy to summate what was said in a cute and pithy soundbite... giving him a like and kissing his butt. He is unprofessional as f***ing hell.
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Have another drink BB85! And go watch some SNL point/counter point reruns 😂
 
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Vaccine is classic case of balancing risk. It is not without risk (just as NO medical treatment is). So you look at your risk cofactors and decide if you have a higher risk from covid or from the vaccine. At my age and with my pre existing conditions it was a no brained. Vaccine and boosters yes. If I were healthy and in my 20s, it might be a different decision. That’s why I refuse to shame or preach to non vaccinated people. Everyone has to make their own decision. If it actually DID prevent transmission that would be a different thing, but it clearly doesn’t so there is no moral argument to be made that you need it to be responsible and to protect others
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Vaccine is classic case of balancing risk. It is not without risk (just as NO medical treatment is). So you look at your risk cofactors and decide if you have a higher risk from covid or from the vaccine. At my age and with my pre existing conditions it was a no brained. Vaccine and boosters yes. If I were healthy and in my 20s, it might be a different decision. That’s why I refuse to shame or preach to non vaccinated people. Everyone has to make their own decision. If it actually DID prevent transmission that would be a different thing, but it clearly doesn’t so there is no moral argument to be made that you need it to be responsible and to protect others
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Yet we still have some people that continue to try to make that argument...
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Vaccine is classic case of balancing risk. It is not without risk (just as NO medical treatment is). So you look at your risk cofactors and decide if you have a higher risk from covid or from the vaccine. At my age and with my pre existing conditions it was a no brained. Vaccine and boosters yes. If I were healthy and in my 20s, it might be a different decision. That’s why I refuse to shame or preach to non vaccinated people. Everyone has to make their own decision. If it actually DID prevent transmission that would be a different thing, but it clearly doesn’t so there is no moral argument to be made that you need it to be responsible and to protect others
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This is a reasonable post. I can't take exception to anything here. I think the myocarditis risk is being overblown by anti-vaxxers, but your post is well-measured, and avoids that.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is a reasonable post. I can't take exception to anything here. I think the myocarditis risk is being overblown by anti-vaxxers, but your post is well-measured, and avoids that.
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I’m your opinion when is this over and we treat it like any other virus we deal with? What metric are you using to define the finish line?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There were numerous caveats to that conclusion, which were detailed within that link you posted. The one sentence which you posted is a gross over-simplification of the information included in that article. Your conduct on this forum is highly unprofessional. In support of a tribal political agenda, you are misrepresenting research and framing an argument in opposition to vaccines based on deliberately misleading partial information. You are foul and disgusting.
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Serious question….do you evaluate the research you agree with as critically as the ones you don’t?
 
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