Vaccine or not?

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OHvol40 said:
That is a cynical and, I believe, incorrect take.
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If you want it to progress at any real speed its correct. How many of the innovations we have seen have purely been out of the medical fields good acts? Salk is probably the biggest, I know there have got to be some others, but weighed against the rest it's just not there.

Here's the Reason America Is an Innovation Powerhouse | Innovation.org

Couldnt find an article that covered more, but The US creates 57% of the new medicines in the world. Even if you just limit that to the developed world that's impressive.

The article goes over the reasons, the first was minimizing/streamlining the governments process, and the second was protecting profits.

If there are no profits you have no way to stockpile, or future proof, or expand your hard assets. It makes it really difficult to train, offer advancement, or retain your staff. The medical industry isnt insulated from market forces, and I dont want to step in and tell them how much they should make.

Look at what happened with the pandemic, many existing health care related professionals retired, closed up shop or something else, and now you want to control how much they get paid? This is the side of socialism that never made sense to me, instead of building people up the solution is to tear them down to a lower level so the gap gets reduced artificially.

We need higher floors, not lower ceilings.
 
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luthervol said:
You're not claiming money is the only motivator are you?
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Only no, the main motivator absolutely. That’s why scientists go begging for it in droves in grants or private funding no matter what field they operate out of. They want fame and money and if they help someone along the way all the better
 
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luthervol said:
Sure there is incentive. To improve the human condition and save lives.
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That's not the way the real world works, and you know that. Breakthrough drugs need investors to cover the cost of the research. Why would anyone invest if they get nothing in return? A hospital purchases a brand new, state of the art MRI machine that costs over 8 million dollars. How are they supposed to recoup their money in any other way other than to charge you four figures to get in it?

Now I'll give you the fact that anytime you get a 3rd party payer involved such as the government or even health insurance that costs go through the roof because health providers can charge double or triple what a cash payment would cost.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Private sector has waste and incompetence as well.
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Of course especially in more recent times. Yet they still want those numbers. Kind of ironic. Back to the point, when the government needs something important done they contract it out and people don’t do it for free. The funny thing is in the end they usually end up paying the lowest bidder more than they would have someone more competent to begin with.
 
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