Vaccine or not?

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luthervol said:
We elect our representatives.
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Yes we do and they take full advantage of our stupidity .. again how is this different from the private sector ? Once the government installs the national health care to replace private the private sector , all that will be done is to change who receives the money , plus the added bonus that comes we all government entities.. an excessive amount of red tape . Don’t say things will change because of the elected , we had Trump ( which you thought was a disaster) then to get him out we ( the elected ) put in a potato . The ones that actually run the government in the house and senate .. still there . That’s how it would work in health care also .
 
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luthervol said:
I don't think it goes over anybody's head.
People understand that the booster minimizes the chances of getting COVID and minimizes the severity for those who still do.
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My zero Jab , zero Mask no Covid a$$ blows those 4 Jabs out of the water . We are the ones ruining the stats and agenda propaganda. 🤷‍♂️
 
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0nelilreb said:
Yes we do and they take full advantage of our stupidity .. again how is this different from the private sector ? Once the government installs the national health care to replace private the private sector , all that will be done is to change who receives the money , plus the added bonus that comes we all government entities.. an excessive amount of red tape . Don’t say things will change because of the elected , we had Trump ( which you thought was a disaster) then to get him out we ( the elected ) put in a potato . The ones that actually run the government in the house and senate .. still there . That’s how it would work in health care also .
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The public should certainly do a better job electing representatives.
 
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norrislakevol said:
In my opinion take the vax if you want the vax. Up to you. Now, the fact is that respiratory viruses mutate so frequently that vaccines are never going to be truly effective for them. That is why the flu shot has about a 40 to 60 percent effectiveness rate in any given year. Polio and smallpox are very, very different than corona viruses and flu viruses. They are NOT heavy mutators, which is why vaccines are so effective against these pathogens.

If you may recall, "experts" always advised that the way to try to defeat a future deadly flu outbreak was with anti-virals like Tamaflu. The "experts" made a massive mistake at the beginning of this pandemic by not pouring everything they had into therapeutics instead of a vaccine. Many lives could have been saved.
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It’s worth adding tamiflu has to be given very early in the illness to be effective. Within 72 hours.

Unless you’re actively dying, we treat no one for covid within the first 72 hours. We just send them home
 
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DC_Vol said:
Think about that one HS QB that was on top of the world in high school: the friends, the girls, the benefits around town.

Fast forward 10 years and you find this same guy in the same bar most nights. Half drunk, talking to anyone who will listen about his HS days.

Kathy Griffin is like this old QB.

Vaccine virtue signaling is so 2021!! What I want to know is where is her Ukraine flag?
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You missed it, it was on the bandaid 🤗🤗🤗
 
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luthervol said:
Undoubtedly, but I believe that no one who actually looks into medical advances throughout history will conclude that profit was the number one motivator.........not even close.
The fact that we have a society today where so many are reluctant to even entertain the fact that there are motivators beyond money says it all.
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Why can’t we keep both motivators? Why remove either?
 
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luthervol said:
Great, I guess. Out of respect for the people I know who died of COVID and the ones who came close, I'm trying to avoid the asinine and pointless debates.
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Did you get your flu shot every year out of respect for the many who die annually or is vaccine virtue signaling new in your life
 
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luthervol said:
Great, I guess. Out of respect for the people I know who died of COVID and the ones who came close, I'm trying to avoid the asinine and pointless debates.
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True but out of respect for the ones that said there’s been too many red flags, lies , propaganda, false stats pushing and just logical thinking people in general that don’t mind saying “ hey something isn’t right here, and someone is lying to us “ I try to bring it up “ least we forget “.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why can’t we keep both motivators? Why remove either?
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I don't mind money being a motivator.
I despise it being the sole motivator and dislike it being the primary motivator.
There were those on here claiming that without a profit motive, nothing beneficial would be accomplished in healthcare - and that is simply absurd and shows a very narrow understanding.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Did you get your flu shot every year out of respect for the many who die annually or is vaccine virtue signaling new in your life
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I haven't gotten a flu shot in 20+ years and do not plan on getting one anytime soon.
Who in the hell is virtue signaling? - that's such an overused and misused term - it's right up there with racist.
 
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0nelilreb said:
True but out of respect for the ones that said there’s been too many red flags, lies , propaganda, false stats pushing and just logical thinking people in general that don’t mind saying “ hey something isn’t right here, and someone is lying to us “ I try to bring it up “ least we forget “.
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I'm happy with each of us having our own perspective.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't mind money being a motivator.
I despise it being the sole motivator and dislike it being the primary motivator.
There were those on here claiming that without a profit motive, nothing beneficial would be accomplished in healthcare - and that is simply absurd and shows a very narrow understanding.
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I haven't seen anyone claim that. I've seen most people claim it is the primary motivator and profit is responsible for most advances in HC. Hell the biggest advancement in the history of HC was motivated by trying to reduce deaths of mothers and children at birth. There wasn't a dime to be made from that, heck the guy was branded a heretic.
 
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luthervol said:
The public should certainly do a better job electing representatives.
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History says we won’t do a good enough job to keep the one grabbing power and amassing fortunes from insider trading . Look at the , Joe , Pelosi , The turtle , Schumer and even the socialist Bernie all say hi and they have no plans on going anywhere .
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Botox is high on the list. Dolly Parton would be a droopy blonde wig without it.
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Good point.....especially since it proves my point.
The Origins of Botulinum Toxin
Clostridium botulinum was first discovered by a Belgian scientist named Emile Pierre van Ermengem following a botulism outbreak in Belgium.10 By the 1920s, scientists at the University of California, San Francisco, first tried to isolate the botulinum toxin. However, it took 20 years before the botulinum toxin was finally isolated in crystalline form by Dr. Edward Schantz.


In the 1970s, scientists started using botulinum toxin to treat strabismus (i.e., crossed eyes).11 While testing this treatment on monkeys, researchers noticed that botulinum toxin reduced wrinkles in the glabella. The glabella is the skin between the eyebrows and above the nose.
 
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