Vaccine or not?

[NurseGoodVol]

I had no clue about the origins of botox. I looked it up when I saw your post.

After I broke my neck it was offered to me for the constant spasms in my scm. ( sternocleomastiod )
They basically wanted to paralyze the muscle. I instead opted for isometric exercises. After all it’s full name is botulinum TOXIN and the causative bacteria for tetanus.

 

[Orangeburst]

Lol... Ted Nugent.. 1970something.. still ringing.

My first show ever like 1981..It was so pricing with that hollow body feedback.

 

[OHvol40]

I covered the early vaxxed, cant have a productive society if they are sick and dying. This was Catherine the Greats approach and clearly from her statements on those who didnt undergo the same procedure she went through (being cut, and then rubbing smallpox postules on the open wounds), she wasnt concerned for the greater well being.

I think you brought up penicillin, seeing as how that was found by accident it's not like Flemming spent his life savings on the advancement. And it got distributed by the US and British governments because they were involved in a little something called WW2 and they needed hospital spaces for their wounded, and people in their factories.

I am still waiting for you to provide an actual example where we went from development to wide spread deployment without large financial gains. Because that's what you are wanting to limit. No the individual genius or luck of a Flemming or a Salk, you are wanting to limit the government/industries bottom line. So you need to prove that it can work without the big money behind it.

I expanded on this already. Everything I named was developed without the intent of getting wealthy. If it was later used by others who didn’t have a hand in the development for financial gain, then that is no reflection on those who did the initial research and development.
Penicillin, for example, was “discovered” by Flemming, but it was shelved for years and even when researchers started playing around with it there was a lot of work to be done finding out how to produce it in large quantities and then what it’s application would be. None of those Oxford researchers became wealthy or renowned for their work.

Aseptic technique (which I see you avoided), a foundation for all infection control today, was developed purely with the intention of reducing infections. Improving the outcomes of complete strangers.

I don’t even know what the intention of your philosophically cynical pontification is, but I assure you I am not your intended audience. So I will excuse myself from it moving forward if you don’t mind.

 

[OHvol40]

Doubtful. Most orderlies I know seem somewhat intelligent.

Orderly? You’re right, we probably don’t know each other because I was born after 1930.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Orderly? You’re right, we probably don’t know each other because I was born after 1930.

We don’t know each other because I don’t know many idiots.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I expanded on this already. Everything I named was developed without the intent of getting wealthy. If it was later used by others who didn’t have a hand in the development for financial gain, then that is no reflection on those who did the initial research and development.
Penicillin, for example, was “discovered” by Flemming, but it was shelved for years and even when researchers started playing around with it there was a lot of work to be done finding out how to produce it in large quantities and then what it’s application would be. None of those Oxford researchers became wealthy or renowned for their work.

Aseptic technique (which I see you avoided), a foundation for all infection control today, was developed purely with the intention of reducing infections. Improving the outcomes of complete strangers.

I don’t even know what the intention of your philosophically cynical pontification is, but I assure you I am not your intended audience. So I will excuse myself from it moving forward if you don’t mind.

Heading back to your reality tunnel. Bye

 

[norrislakevol]

Lol... Ted Nugent.. 1970something.. still ringing.

Saw him twice. The only band that was louder that I have ever seen was ACDC.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

So they knew all along that natural immunity was the best protection. Some of us have been screaming this all along. Phyzer has a long ways to go before they regain the trust of any sane human being.

Ingraham Angle: The Documents Pfizer Didn't Want You To See

I’m still smh about all this. Trust big pharma? Trust cdc guidance? No. Screw them and may a camel sh*t on their shoes.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I expanded on this already. Everything I named was developed without the intent of getting wealthy. If it was later used by others who didn’t have a hand in the development for financial gain, then that is no reflection on those who did the initial research and development.
Penicillin, for example, was “discovered” by Flemming, but it was shelved for years and even when researchers started playing around with it there was a lot of work to be done finding out how to produce it in large quantities and then what it’s application would be. None of those Oxford researchers became wealthy or renowned for their work.

Aseptic technique (which I see you avoided), a foundation for all infection control today, was developed purely with the intention of reducing infections. Improving the outcomes of complete strangers.

I don’t even know what the intention of your philosophically cynical pontification is, but I assure you I am not your intended audience. So I will excuse myself from it moving forward if you don’t mind.

And when were the discoveries dated and what is the motivation now? I’ll give you 10 years to answer as I figure that’s when all this will dawn on you.

 

[n_huffhines]

Looks like a large clinical trial found that ivermectin wasn’t any more effective than placebo at preventing hospitalizations.

The researchers zeroed in on different groups of volunteers to see if they experienced benefits that others didn’t. For example, it might be possible that ivermectin only worked if taken early in an infection. But volunteers who took ivermectin in the first three days after a positive coronavirus test turned out to have worse outcomes than did those in the placebo group.

Ivermectin Does Not Reduce Risk of Covid Hospitalization, Large Study Finds

 

[LouderVol]

I expanded on this already. Everything I named was developed without the intent of getting wealthy. If it was later used by others who didn’t have a hand in the development for financial gain, then that is no reflection on those who did the initial research and development.
Penicillin, for example, was “discovered” by Flemming, but it was shelved for years and even when researchers started playing around with it there was a lot of work to be done finding out how to produce it in large quantities and then what it’s application would be. None of those Oxford researchers became wealthy or renowned for their work.

Aseptic technique (which I see you avoided), a foundation for all infection control today, was developed purely with the intention of reducing infections. Improving the outcomes of complete strangers.

I don’t even know what the intention of your philosophically cynical pontification is, but I assure you I am not your intended audience. So I will excuse myself from it moving forward if you don’t mind.

Doesnt matter where the innovation comes from if it doesnt get developed. That's the whole argument. Innovation that sits in a desk or file cabinet is no use to anyone. Doesnt help anyone. Paper medicine falls way short of results in the real world where it matters.

Taking it from innovation to development to distribution is health care
Not some lab where the results happen once. The patients arent in the lab, they are out in the streets. Cant ignore the parts you dont like just because it started where you wanted. The argument is about getting it out to people, helping people. Never makes it that far without a good bit of money.

 

[OHvol40]

We don’t know each other because I don’t know many idiots.

I’ll count myself lucky

 

[OHvol40]

And when were the discoveries dated and what is the motivation now? I’ll give you 10 years to answer as I figure that’s when all this will dawn on you.

It doesn’t matter when they are dated, it is proof that discovery and innovation can and has been motivated by something other than profit. If that is no longer true then it points to a current flaw.

 

[OHvol40]

Doesnt matter where the innovation comes from if it doesnt get developed. That's the whole argument. Innovation that sits in a desk or file cabinet is no use to anyone. Doesnt help anyone. Paper medicine falls way short of results in the real world where it matters.

Taking it from innovation to development to distribution is health care
Not some lab where the results happen once. The patients arent in the lab, they are out in the streets. Cant ignore the parts you dont like just because it started where you wanted. The argument is about getting it out to people, helping people. Never makes it that far without a good bit of money.

I literally just addressed this exact thing with a pointed example. Did you read it?

 

[VolinWayne]

Looks like a large clinical trial found that ivermectin wasn’t any more effective than placebo at preventing hospitalizations.

The researchers zeroed in on different groups of volunteers to see if they experienced benefits that others didn’t. For example, it might be possible that ivermectin only worked if taken early in an infection. But volunteers who took ivermectin in the first three days after a positive coronavirus test turned out to have worse outcomes than did those in the placebo group.

Ivermectin Does Not Reduce Risk of Covid Hospitalization, Large Study Finds

Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine both work when given in the early stages. There are thousands of doctors who are using both of these as early treatments and there are many many studies to back this up. How do you explain Africa and Nigeria. Keep in mind Tony Fauci and Bill Gates both at the beginning of the pandemic said, 'Africa is gonna get wiped out. You need to get them all vaccines.' "

2800 COVID deaths per million in the United States
-200 COVID deaths per million in Africa
-15 COVID deaths per million in Nigeria

Why is Nigeria so low? Perhaps because they largely use hydroxychloroquine for malaria and ivermectin for river blindness.

But suit yourself, refuse early treatment and go the Remdesiver route. Please do yourself a favor and check out the side affects of Remdeziver first.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

He changes bedpans. He’s not actually in healthcare

"He writes tickets. He's not actually in law enforcement."

 

[Jxn Vol]

I’ll count myself lucky

I feel bad for your coworkers. I’m sure they “enjoy” you very much.

 

[n_huffhines]

Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine both work when given in the early stages. There are thousands of doctors who are using both of these as early treatments and there are many many studies to back this up. How do you explain Africa and Nigeria. Keep in mind Tony Fauci and Bill Gates both at the beginning of the pandemic said, 'Africa is gonna get wiped out. You need to get them all vaccines.' "

2800 COVID deaths per million in the United States
-200 COVID deaths per million in Africa
-15 COVID deaths per million in Nigeria

Why is Nigeria so low? Perhaps because they largely use hydroxychloroquine for malaria and ivermectin for river blindness.

But suit yourself, refuse early treatment and go the Remdesiver route. Please do yourself a favor and check out the side affects of Remdeziver first.

These crazy results are coming from places with some of the least reliable data, especially applying it to us.

You've got correlation data that you should be skeptical of and you're using it to refute a real study.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Looks like a large clinical trial found that ivermectin wasn’t any more effective than placebo at preventing hospitalizations.

The researchers zeroed in on different groups of volunteers to see if they experienced benefits that others didn’t. For example, it might be possible that ivermectin only worked if taken early in an infection. But volunteers who took ivermectin in the first three days after a positive coronavirus test turned out to have worse outcomes than did those in the placebo group.

Ivermectin Does Not Reduce Risk of Covid Hospitalization, Large Study Finds

Yeah those clinical trials are infallible

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Looks like a large clinical trial found that ivermectin wasn’t any more effective than placebo at preventing hospitalizations.

The researchers zeroed in on different groups of volunteers to see if they experienced benefits that others didn’t. For example, it might be possible that ivermectin only worked if taken early in an infection. But volunteers who took ivermectin in the first three days after a positive coronavirus test turned out to have worse outcomes than did those in the placebo group.

Ivermectin Does Not Reduce Risk of Covid Hospitalization, Large Study Finds

I guess the real world doctors who have seen positive results using it don’t count because they were not part of this trial right?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Looks like a large clinical trial found that ivermectin wasn’t any more effective than placebo at preventing hospitalizations.

The researchers zeroed in on different groups of volunteers to see if they experienced benefits that others didn’t. For example, it might be possible that ivermectin only worked if taken early in an infection. But volunteers who took ivermectin in the first three days after a positive coronavirus test turned out to have worse outcomes than did those in the placebo group.

Ivermectin Does Not Reduce Risk of Covid Hospitalization, Large Study Finds

The actual study please.

 

[VolinWayne]

These crazy results are coming from places with some of the least reliable data, especially applying it to us.

You've got correlation data that you should be skeptical of and you're using it to refute a real study.

You are looking at studies that are driven by one single agenda (and its not saving lives). It's all about getting every single person on the planet to take the jab. Honest question here. If they truly cared about saving lives why do they not push healthy living. Why don't they push proper intake of Vitamin D, Zinc and Vitamin C? Why don't they push daily exercise? Instead of these common sense health practices they push free burgers and donuts for a jab. They push Remdeziver which has known side effects that include difficulty breathing.

I'd be curious what has your personal experience been the past 2 years with Covid? Maybe that would help me understand your stance a little better. I was cautious but very skeptical from the very beginning. I have rarely worn a mask. Fortunately our kids go to a private school and they haven't skipped a beat. My business employees approximately 75 people and we really haven't changed anything in the way we operate besides simply making sure employees stay home when they are sick. We have pretty much been unphazed. Probably the biggest thing I have changed is I have focused on living a healthy life. I take Vitamins and Zinc every day. My entire family has had covid and thankfully it wasn't that bad at all for us. Since then we have all been exposed to covid but apparantly we now have strong natural immunity.
I have also been fortunate to personally know a doctor (I go to church with him) who has been pushing Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine treatments. (He's not an anti-vaxxer by the way.) He has treated many many patients with Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine and he says he has had amazing results and lost very few patients. He says it is absolutely criminal the way these early treatments have been suppressed by the media, the government and our health officials.

 

[BreatheUT]

Lol the local news reporter on the radio said Biden said Americans will soon have to pay for covid tests because they are out of money yet illegal aliens at the southern border are getting it for free. How about a novice idea and we just not let them in?

 

[BreatheUT]

Looks like the democrats have gotten rid of Fauci because he was sinking their poll numbers. Very few spots on the MSM networks.

 

[n_huffhines]

You are looking at studies that are driven by one single agenda (and its not saving lives). It's all about getting every single person on the planet to take the jab. Honest question here. If they truly cared about saving lives why do they not push healthy living. Why don't they push proper intake of Vitamin D, Zink and Vitamin C? Why don't they push daily exercise? Instead of these common sense health practices they push free burgers and donuts for a jab. They push Remdeziver which has known side effects that include difficulty breathing.

I'd be curious what has your personal experience been the past 2 years with Covid? Maybe that would help me understand your stance a little better. I was cautious but very skeptical from the very beginning. I have rarely worn a mask. Fortunately our kids go to a private school and they haven't skipped a beat. My business employees approximately 75 people and we really haven't changed anything in the way we operate besides simply making sure employees stay home when they are sick. We have pretty much been unphazed. Probably the biggest thing I have changed is I have focused on living a healthy life. I take Vitamins and Zinc every day. My entire family has had covid and thankfully it wasn't that bad at all for us. Since then we have all been exposed to covid but apparantly we now have strong natural immunity.
I have also been fortunate to personally know a doctor (I go to church with him) who has been pushing Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine treatments. (He's not an anti-vaxxer by the way.) He has treated many many patients with Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine and he says he has had amazing results and lost very few patients. He says it is absolutely criminal the way these early treatments have been suppressed by the media, the government and our health officials.

You assume the scientists have an agenda and you think personal experience means something in this conversation. I don't want to debate this with you.