Vaccine or not?

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norrislakevol said:
I see that, so you are saying that we would have just as many breakthrough drugs if there was no profit in it? You don't even have to answer that because I already know what the real answer is.
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We would have most of the ones most needed. We may not get the drug for droopy earlobes that has a million side effects.
 
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The same rules that apply to the wealthy do not apply to the normal hardworking Americans who just care about providing for their families. I'm happy for Kyrie Irving and I absolutely love the way he took a stand against the mandates and refused to budge but this simply ain't right. Maybe some of the social justice warriors in the NBA will speak up about this injustice.

New York City Mayor Eric Adams said the city won’t rehire unvaccinated workers. He made the remarks shortly after he signed an executive order lifting vaccine requirements for athletes and performers. One America’s Taylor Tinsley has more.

NYC Not Considering to Rehire Unvaccinated Workers
 
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The latest official figures from the UK Health Security Agency show that triple vaccinated people aged 30-70 have now lost at least 70% of their immune system capability compared to the natural immune system of unvaccinated people.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...60030/vaccine-surveillance-report-week-10.pdf

Their immune systems are deteriorating between 10 and 30% per week on average, with the detioration much larger and quicker among the younger age groups.

If this continues at the current rate then all triple vaccinated 18 to 39-year-olds will have 100% immune system degradation by the middle of April 2022, with all other triple vaccinated age-groups following suit not long after.

In other words, official UK Government data strongly suggests the triple vaccinated population are rapidly developing acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.

Looking at the data from the UK Health Dept, the triple vaccinated population accounted for the majority of Covid-19 cases in each age group by a country mile, except for the under 18’s. The highest number of cases in those four weeks was recorded among triple jabbed 40-49-year olds, with 111,380 confirmed cases. This compares to just 10,400 cases among unvaccinated 40-49-year-olds.

Whilst you've been distracted by Russia-Ukraine, the UK Government quietly published data confirming the Triple Vaccinated are just weeks away from developing Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome
 
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Ttucke11 said:
They're checking on a couple hundred cases of tinnitus and hearing loss? Either A) this is just a distraction or B) there's thousands of actual reported cases. I see stats of young people croaking over with heart attacks at much higher rates post vaccination and WHO doesn't seem to give a ****.
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That tinnitus stuff has been a symptom that was being reported on from the very beginning on those "conspiracy" websites.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Penicillin, most early vaccines, water purification, aseptic technique… all things that were given to the world with sole purpose of improving humanity’s well-being. If they were (much) later bastardized for profit, that says more about profit seekers than it does about the innovators.
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Define humanities well being? You mean producing more food so we can have more workers?

Clean water so people can work more and be sick less?

Taking care of injured soldiers for the warm fuzzies or so you dont have to lop off a foot every time a grunt gets a scratch and have to train up a replacement?

Even the good of humanity includes a "me" factor. Functioning society let's me live my life, people or things that get in the way (proffits) must be removed or considered evil and minimized. Protecting the women and the children isnt out of some moral prerogative its basic survival, pass on our DNA.

Our whole morality system is just another way to reward ourselves outside general survival. We figured out what we needed to survive as a race, and then codified it under a set of moral or ethics to say "hey I am good for humanity because I do X and dont do Y". We save grandma, not to spend more time with her at the retirement home, or improve her life, but so we dont have to deal with the discomfort of losing something personal we have relied on to help our survival.

Even when you reply to rationalize this as cynicism it is another coping method to protect yourself from dealing with the reality that we are on no higher plane of existence than the world around us. You say being morally good makes you feel good, or it's the right thing to do, you are just hiding behind the structures that we formalized out of our basic existence and programmed need to survive.

As long you would would rather hear and believe pretty lies than ugly truths you arent looking out for the betterment of humanity, but your own comfort.
 
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LouderVol said:
Define humanities well being? You mean producing more food so we can have more workers?

Clean water so people can work more and be sick less?

Taking care of injured soldiers for the warm fuzzies or so you dont have to lop off a foot every time a grunt gets a scratch and have to train up a replacement?

Even the good of humanity includes a "me" factor. Functioning society let's me live my life, people or things that get in the way (proffits) must be removed or considered evil and minimized. Protecting the women and the children isnt out of some moral prerogative its basic survival, pass on our DNA.

Our whole morality system is just another way to reward ourselves outside general survival. We figured out what we needed to survive as a race, and then codified it under a set of moral or ethics to say "hey I am good for humanity because I do X and dont do Y". We save grandma, not to spend more time with her at the retirement home, or improve her life, but so we dont have to deal with the discomfort of losing something personal we have relied on to help our survival.

Even when you reply to rationalize this as cynicism it is another coping method to protect yourself from dealing with the reality that we are on no higher plane of existence than the world around us. You say being morally good makes you feel good, or it's the right thing to do, you are just hiding behind the structures that we formalized out of our basic existence and programmed need to survive.

As long you would would rather hear and believe pretty lies than ugly truths you arent looking out for the betterment of humanity, but your own comfort.
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I find your entire response both irrelevant and incorrect. We’ll leave it at that.
 
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VolinWayne said:
The latest official figures from the UK Health Security Agency show that triple vaccinated people aged 30-70 have now lost at least 70% of their immune system capability compared to the natural immune system of unvaccinated people.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...60030/vaccine-surveillance-report-week-10.pdf

Their immune systems are deteriorating between 10 and 30% per week on average, with the detioration much larger and quicker among the younger age groups.

If this continues at the current rate then all triple vaccinated 18 to 39-year-olds will have 100% immune system degradation by the middle of April 2022, with all other triple vaccinated age-groups following suit not long after.

In other words, official UK Government data strongly suggests the triple vaccinated population are rapidly developing acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.

Looking at the data from the UK Health Dept, the triple vaccinated population accounted for the majority of Covid-19 cases in each age group by a country mile, except for the under 18’s. The highest number of cases in those four weeks was recorded among triple jabbed 40-49-year olds, with 111,380 confirmed cases. This compares to just 10,400 cases among unvaccinated 40-49-year-olds.

Whilst you've been distracted by Russia-Ukraine, the UK Government quietly published data confirming the Triple Vaccinated are just weeks away from developing Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome
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100% immune system degradation sounds like the same fear mongering about the virus itself. Mycondratis going to kill us all.
 
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OHvol40 said:
He didn’t even mention anything meaningful about the subsequent discussion and then decided to go on a “look at me” droll tirade. If you think that’s domination, then so be it lol.
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You had two posts after the one I quoted. Neither one of them advanced your argument at all. One was calling out someone elses whipping boy, the second consisted of "nm". If that is what you think qualifies as discussion i should respond to it's no wonder you avoid directly responding.
 
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LouderVol said:
You had two posts after the one I quoted. Neither one of them advanced your argument at all. One was calling out someone elses whipping boy, the second consisted of "nm". If that is what you think qualifies as discussion i should respond to it's no wonder you avoid directly responding.
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I didn’t call out someone else’s whipping boy, some doofus tried to insert Fauci into a discussion about the history of medical innovation for some reason, and then I listed off innovations that weren’t profit driven and you waxed poetic about how saving grandma is selfish. So, yeah, here we are haha
 
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OHvol40 said:
He didn’t even mention anything meaningful about the subsequent discussion and then decided to go on a “look at me” droll tirade. If you think that’s domination, then so be it lol.
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Go sit down. You claim you are in healthcare but you don’t even have a clue about how things innovate. You are a clueless individual that lives in your reality tunnel. It shows in every one of your posts.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Go sit down. You claim you are in healthcare but you don’t even have a clue about how things innovate. You are a clueless individual that lives in your reality tunnel. It shows in every one of your posts.
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He changes bedpans. He’s not actually in healthcare
 
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OHvol40 said:
I didn’t call out someone else’s whipping boy, some doofus tried to insert Fauci into a discussion about the history of medical innovation for some reason, and then I listed off innovations that weren’t profit driven and you waxed poetic about how saving grandma is selfish. So, yeah, here we are haha
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I covered the early vaxxed, cant have a productive society if they are sick and dying. This was Catherine the Greats approach and clearly from her statements on those who didnt undergo the same procedure she went through (being cut, and then rubbing smallpox postules on the open wounds), she wasnt concerned for the greater well being.

I think you brought up penicillin, seeing as how that was found by accident it's not like Flemming spent his life savings on the advancement. And it got distributed by the US and British governments because they were involved in a little something called WW2 and they needed hospital spaces for their wounded, and people in their factories.

I am still waiting for you to provide an actual example where we went from development to wide spread deployment without large financial gains. Because that's what you are wanting to limit. No the individual genius or luck of a Flemming or a Salk, you are wanting to limit the government/industries bottom line. So you need to prove that it can work without the big money behind it.
 
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