Vaccine or not?

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OHvol40 said:
I literally just addressed this exact thing with a pointed example. Did you read it?
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Ok, I know it's a faux pas to ask, but are his posts getting deleted before I read them? This is the second time he has referenced some conversation I havent seen ITT
Even go back and look, nothing. And I dont have anyone blocked.

To OHVol, it might help if you made a direct reference I could actually respond to instead of vague references that arent easy to track down over multiple pages. What example did i miss?
 
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BreatheUT said:
Lol the local news reporter on the radio said Biden said Americans will soon have to pay for covid tests because they are out of money yet illegal aliens at the southern border are getting it for free. How about a novice idea and we just not let them in?
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They’re testing the invaders now?
 
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n_huffhines said:
You assume the scientists have an agenda and you think personal experience means something in this conversation. I don't want to debate this with you.
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Personal experience means everything to me. I truly do wish that I could have the confidence that you seem to have in our world leaders. Simply put, I'm not that naive. I've seen the way the media colludes to spin stories to whatever narrative and agenda that's being pushed at the present time. We've all seen the countless "conspiracy theories" that supposedly got debunked and then turned up to be true a year later. We have all seen the countless lies that were told about Trump and Russia collusion. I also know thay we live in a world where greed and the love of money and power does corrupt people (not all people) and I don't think it's that far fetched for us to question the integrity of some of the people who are making decisions when you look at how big of a money maker big pharma is and how many politicians have stocks in Phyzer and Moderna.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I’m still smh about all this. Trust big pharma? Trust cdc guidance? No. Screw them and may a camel sh*t on their shoes.
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I saw a Bill Maher video clip that reminded me of something I heard about this past fall. But they lied and propagandized AIDS the exact same way in the late 1980s and 1990s by scaring the s**t out of people to constantly get tested and telling everyone that it was far more contagious than what it was... when in fact, they knew as early as 1987 who the high risk individuals were. But instead of just focusing on the high risk segment of the population, they pumped fear and misinformation to the entire country.

Now, Maher didn't mention in the clip I saw just who that high risk group was, but I have my suspicions. If I had to wager, it was as much a policy driven by politics as it was public health.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I saw a Bill Maher video clip that reminded me of something I heard about this past fall. But they lied and propagandized AIDS the exact same way in the late 1980s and 1990s by scaring the s**t out of people to constantly get tested and telling everyone that it was far more contagious than what it was... when in fact, they knew as early as 1987 who the high risk individuals were. But instead of just focusing on the high risk segment of the population, they pumped fear and misinformation to the entire country.

Now, Maher didn't mention in the clip I saw just who that high risk group was, but I have my suspicions. If I had to wager, it was as much a policy driven by politics as it was public health.
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What's the source for the propagandizing and politicizing of AIDS in the 80's and 90's? I think we knew from the get go who the high risk groups were.
 
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n_huffhines said:
These crazy results are coming from places with some of the least reliable data, especially applying it to us.

You've got correlation data that you should be skeptical of and you're using it to refute a real study.
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So studies in Brazil in which we don’t know the standard of care are always acceptable as it relates to America? Each country’s standard of care comes into question.
I’ve been involved in clinical trials. Not all that glitters in data is gold. Look up xigris as an example.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I saw a Bill Maher video clip that reminded me of something I heard about this past fall. But they lied and propagandized AIDS the exact same way in the late 1980s and 1990s by scaring the s**t out of people to constantly get tested and telling everyone that it was far more contagious than what it was... when in fact, they knew as early as 1987 who the high risk individuals were. But instead of just focusing on the high risk segment of the population, they pumped fear and misinformation to the entire country.

Now, Maher didn't mention in the clip I saw just who that high risk group was, but I have my suspicions. If I had to wager, it was as much a policy driven by politics as it was public health.
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Might want to google who was in charge of that. It rhymes with Pauci
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
So studies in Brazil in which we don’t know the standard of care are always acceptable as it relates to America? Each country’s standard of care comes into question.
I’ve been involved in clinical trials. Not all that glitters in data is gold. Look up xigris as an example.
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Always acceptable? I didn't say that.

It was a controlled study with 1300 participants. It's a whole different animal than simply trusting general population numbers that are aggregated within a third world country. I got people in the Philippines. This is how things work in the 3rd world. If you are a normal person, you can't afford to go to the hospital so you just die at home without ever seeing a doctor. I know this bc we have a programmer who makes pretty good $, did go to the hospital, and we literally had to bail him out like it was jail. He could not leave until his bill was paid and the longer he stayed the more the bill was. He owed over a year's wage. You can see why people wouldn't even go to the hospital and would never get recorded as sick. That's a big reason why I'm skeptical.

Another reason is the totally bogus AIDS in Africa numbers we saw in the 90's.

I don't think this is in the same ballpark as a controlled study in Brazil. Be skeptical, yeah. But it's different.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Always acceptable? I didn't say that.

It was a controlled study with 1300 participants. It's a whole different animal than simply trusting general population numbers that are aggregated within a third world country. I got people in the Philippines. This is how things work in the 3rd world. If you are a normal person, you can't afford to go to the hospital so you just die at home without ever seeing a doctor. I know this bc we have a programmer who makes pretty good $, did go to the hospital, and we literally had to bail him out like it was jail. He could not leave until his bill was paid and the longer he stayed the more the bill was. He owed over a year's wage. You can see why people wouldn't even go to the hospital and would never get recorded as sick. That's a big reason why I'm skeptical.

Another reason is the totally bogus AIDS in Africa numbers we saw in the 90's.

I don't think this is in the same ballpark as a controlled study in Brazil. Be skeptical, yeah. But it's different.
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I am skeptical. I understand the situation in the Philippines because I work with a number of Philippino nurses. Their standard of care is also different as is Africa’s. Training African nurses required them to accept more autonomy than they were used to. Russia also has a different standard.
The SOC is always mentioned in the studies but never explicitly stated, that is my problem with the studies.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Gottd**n, I said it in the first f^^king sentence of the post you replied to!!
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I read it to mean Maher's bit referred to something else you had read or seen and that your conclusions were based on something other than Maher's show. So it was Maher talking about the distortions, got it.
 
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VolinWayne said:
The latest official figures from the UK Health Security Agency show that triple vaccinated people aged 30-70 have now lost at least 70% of their immune system capability compared to the natural immune system of unvaccinated people.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...60030/vaccine-surveillance-report-week-10.pdf

Their immune systems are deteriorating between 10 and 30% per week on average, with the detioration much larger and quicker among the younger age groups.

If this continues at the current rate then all triple vaccinated 18 to 39-year-olds will have 100% immune system degradation by the middle of April 2022, with all other triple vaccinated age-groups following suit not long after.

In other words, official UK Government data strongly suggests the triple vaccinated population are rapidly developing acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.

Looking at the data from the UK Health Dept, the triple vaccinated population accounted for the majority of Covid-19 cases in each age group by a country mile, except for the under 18’s. The highest number of cases in those four weeks was recorded among triple jabbed 40-49-year olds, with 111,380 confirmed cases. This compares to just 10,400 cases among unvaccinated 40-49-year-olds.

Whilst you've been distracted by Russia-Ukraine, the UK Government quietly published data confirming the Triple Vaccinated are just weeks away from developing Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome
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As in AIDS? What??
 
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